Posts by Heartbreaker

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Money

by Heartbreaker in

ok, so you've gotten past the fact they are not jehovahs channel of communication, and that it's just a bunch of men behind the curtain.

so then the shift goes to why do they do it?

i mean control is ok, some people crave it, but what is the big pull?

Thank you Musky, that was exactly my point. Have they learned the lesson of that embarrassment (after pocketing the proceeds of the sale of course) and been better at hiding the loot? Is it squandered by bad planning or spending? (I can hardly imagine that) or is it just piling riches up to heaven?

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Money

by Heartbreaker in

ok, so you've gotten past the fact they are not jehovahs channel of communication, and that it's just a bunch of men behind the curtain.

so then the shift goes to why do they do it?

i mean control is ok, some people crave it, but what is the big pull?

Heartbreaker

ok, so they believe it, but can any answer regarding the money? Where is it all going? Whats the pull?

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Money

by Heartbreaker in

ok, so you've gotten past the fact they are not jehovahs channel of communication, and that it's just a bunch of men behind the curtain.

so then the shift goes to why do they do it?

i mean control is ok, some people crave it, but what is the big pull?

Heartbreaker

I haven't yet read his books, no. But the money? Where is it?

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Money

by Heartbreaker in

ok, so you've gotten past the fact they are not jehovahs channel of communication, and that it's just a bunch of men behind the curtain.

so then the shift goes to why do they do it?

i mean control is ok, some people crave it, but what is the big pull?

Heartbreaker

Ok, so you've gotten past the fact they are not Jehovahs channel of communication, and that it's just a bunch of men behind the curtain. So then the shift goes to WHY DO THEY DO IT? I mean control is ok, some people crave it, but what is the big pull? Do THEY believe the stuff they manufacture and preach? Are they fooling themselves too?

All the sales of these buildings, all the donations at the KH, the willing of material posessions from those that have died....what is it all for? Who is living high on the hog? Where is all the money? Whats the pull? What am I missing?

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Did you get drunk/take drugs as a witness?

by wouldacouldashoulda in

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smoked.

got drunk.

taken drugs (non medicinal).

Heartbreaker

Yes

I suppose I was never really any good at being good. I am great at being bad though ;)

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Besty Unplugged - My Life Story Part VII

by besty in

<< part vi.

part vii not the end or the beginning.

as mentioned previously i was starting to travel more frequently to the us on business, specifically los angeles.

Heartbreaker

Besty - Paul, thank you so much for taking what must have been considerable time to detail out your story for us here. I assure you that even if I've posted what, 5 times maybe, I read here every day, sometimes for hours. I've eagerly anticipated the conclusion of your story.

I hope one day I can post my whole story bravely. I feel I cannot tell my story as of yet because it hasn't received an end as far as family and the ORG....but I know for sure I have walked away with it. Like you, I've walked away with my husband at my side, and children nearby. It's a good thing. I feel happy. I feel lonely, but content. I am eager to have that tie severed, but am scared as well. All in due time I'm afraid.

Thank you again...so very candid, and much appreciated.

My best to you and Sam, and the boys. Hopefully one day I'll make my way to California from Kansas and make myself some new friends :)

Heartbreaker

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Why do you come to this site?

by sinis in

after all the years i have been here, i have slowly progressed to the point that the bible, god, and all the other religious stuff out there is just plain bullshit!!!

yet when i first came here and was told by some of the members that that is what i would logically come to, i did not believe them, and yet they were right.

i realize that a lot of people on this board have left, or are struggling with themselves or family to leave, yet many still believe.

Heartbreaker

I come to this site because I CAN. I overcame my programming and fear and clicked the link that I shouldn't have. I've never been happier that I did, and while I don't post very often, I read every day, from todays posts back to 5 years ago. I'm still in the beginning to middle of a failed fade, which will be a blow up situation very soon I'm afraid, so I've been a little more quiet. Apologies in advance for being what my teen calls a "creeper"

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I need help in facing our abuser...

by cognac in

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the thought of it scares me so much i can't even think straight... just writing this makes my heart race like you wouldn't believe.. i need to face my dad and mom.

my dad abused us, my mom allowed the abuse.

i need to face him with my two older brothers - the ones who got it the worst and who never faced them about it.... i know my mind will go blank so i'm simply going to write out what i have to say and read it to them.

Heartbreaker

Change that to sexual abuse, and I am in your shoes exactly. I am sorry you are going through this, take comfort in the fact that at least you have your siblings. Mine are not supportive of my stance, which albeit is new. They've forgiven and are actually close to our parents now. I'd love to read a follow up on this.

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New here

by Heartbreaker in

i have no idea what i want to convey in words here on this site, and have surprised myself by even joining at all.

i intended just to read, and get a few pieces of information, and now am a member, and spend many hours looking through posts old and new alike.

i am a current jw, born into it, and lets just say i'm in my thirties, female, and a mom of more than your average kids.

Heartbreaker

Rachel I appreciate again you taking time to reply to me. I was beginning to wonder if anyone had a reply to that! I almost made it a new topic, but wasn't sure where it would belong. I need to use the site more and read around I think.

As far as the birthdays and celebrations, it had come up that the first few days of school my youngest did take the cupcake and eat it, and said that they celebrated....and they will totally celebrate theirs too, but not at home. My husband asked some rather leading questions, which made our child feel as if the answer was the opposite of what they did, so it was wrong. So we talked about it, and the Bday IS coming up here and so I told him that I felt more comfortable looking it up and reasoning, scripturally, and then revisiting the discussion. He wanted to do it right then! So we did, and felt that it was a stretch, and mans opinion to NOT celebrate, but it still felt weird to say that the kids, or we, will or should. I then asked him what it would hurt to let them do what they want, and not make our upbringing be their choice, and when they are older they can decide. What is the harm?

Why hold on to one thing, and not all the teachings?

Is there anyone here that kept "seperate from the world" concerning things, and yet didn't still suscribe to the way of the WT? I feel like if we aren't doing ALL of it, and that's truly wrong, then heck, why say no or limit. My husband says he doesn't feel ready to take that leap. I understand, but I'm always wanting all the discussion and decision and finality sooner rather than later type person ;)

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New here

by Heartbreaker in

i have no idea what i want to convey in words here on this site, and have surprised myself by even joining at all.

i intended just to read, and get a few pieces of information, and now am a member, and spend many hours looking through posts old and new alike.

i am a current jw, born into it, and lets just say i'm in my thirties, female, and a mom of more than your average kids.

Heartbreaker

Oh shoot, I missed a ton of people on page two! Rachel, thank you for hearing me...really hearing me, and validating what I wrote. It's so nice to not be judged, but rather listened too.

Baba, I'm so sorry that your story is similiar to mine, heck anyones...I wish mine was a singular experience, but I'm finding it's more the norm, but we were all hushed. It's so very sad.

Open Mind....years? Say it ain't so! :D

Lady, Palm, Independant, AWAKE and Hope...thanks for the warm welcome and the hugs and encouragement. I sincerely appreciate it.

Ooompa, I've read some things you've written, and was actually smiling really big when I read your response to me :) Yah! I struck it good with Ooompa! lol

Daniel - Thank you for understanding that.....you are so correct in that the men put in those positions are so ill-equiped to handle ANY issues, and I feel bad for most of them that can admit that they are in over their heads most of the time as well. It's the pompous asses that think they are ABOVE all in the congregation that disgust me...do they need a redefinition of SERVANT? Anyway, I appreciate your kind words.