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More on What Satanic Rituals

by Jang in

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at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15429&site=3.

silent lambs wrote.

quote:.

Jang

at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15429&site=3

Silent Lambs wrote

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When I heard the first claim I of course discounted it as being false or from someone who was mentally disturbed. But then I got another story and then another. It has began to be a very distrubing picture. All these people live with absolute terror of the WT organization. I have had reports from twelve different major metropolitian areas across the USA. Of particuliar interest is the similiar things described from people who do not know each other. Things like animal sacrifice, child sacrifice, CO's and DO's in charge along with prominent elders, video taping of child molestation, specific rituals that lead up to the abuse, groups of children being involved, the gatherings were often called called family studies for a cover, threats of death if ever told to the outside. These are just of few of commonalities between the stories I have heard. These people have acute memories of times dates and places including names which I have verified were in specifc congregations. It is very disturbing to say the least.
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Because my reply did not jump the thread to the front of the list, I thought it better to bring my reply up personally

Silentlambs, stay skeptical please. When you really investigate what they are saying, it is all what has appeared in movies and books.

Many who once believed this are now coming to their senses and like people who claimed to be UFO abductees, admitting that this was confabulations of their minds .... The same counselling and books that "help" these people "remember" the satanic ritual abuse also helps them "remember" their ufo abductions and other wierd and wonderful things.

Stay skeptical and you will stay sane!

I have a lot of info on my website and there is some really great info on these other sites as well.

http://caic.org.au/zfms-sra.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_none.htm
http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Mind-Control/General/ftv1n6.txt
http://www.religioustolerance.org/urbanft.htm
http://www.apsac.org/pasatan.html
http://mentalhealth.about.com/library/blsatan2.htm
http://www.satanservice.org/archive/delusion/sraocrt.html
http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/USG_SRA.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/7530/rants/mythsat.html
http://mentalhealth.about.com/library/blsatan3.htm
http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~rwynar/Therapy.html
http://www.fmsfonline.org/mpdsra.html
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_1_2.htm
http://www.fmsfonline.org/satanic.html
http://www.paganculture.com/crimes.htm
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/chupacabras.html

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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What Satanic Rituals???

by Nathan Natas in

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in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.

forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.

bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.

Jang

Silent Lambs wrote

When I heard the first claim I of course discounted it as being false or from someone who was mentally disturbed. But then I got another story and then another. It has began to be a very distrubing picture. All these people live with absolute terror of the WT organization. I have had reports from twelve different major metropolitian areas across the USA. Of particuliar interest is the similiar things described from people who do not know each other. Things like animal sacrifice, child sacrifice, CO's and DO's in charge along with prominent elders, video taping of child molestation, specific rituals that lead up to the abuse, groups of children being involved, the gatherings were often called called family studies for a cover, threats of death if ever told to the outside. These are just of few of commonalities between the stories I have heard. These people have acute memories of times dates and places including names which I have verified were in specifc congregations. It is very disturbing to say the least.

Silentlambs, stay skeptical please. When you really investigate what they are saying, it is all what has appeared in movies and books.

Many who once believed this are now coming to their senses and like people who claimed to be UFO abductees, admitting that this was confabulations of their minds .... The same counselling and books that "help" these people "remember" the satanic ritual abuse also helps them "remember" their ufo abductions and other wierd and wonderful things.

Stay skeptical and you will stay sane!

I have a lot of info on my website and there is some really great info on these other sites as well.

http://caic.org.au/zfms-sra.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_none.htm
http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/files/Mind-Control/General/ftv1n6.txt
http://www.religioustolerance.org/urbanft.htm
http://www.apsac.org/pasatan.html
http://mentalhealth.about.com/library/blsatan2.htm
http://www.satanservice.org/archive/delusion/sraocrt.html
http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/USG_SRA.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/7530/rants/mythsat.html
http://mentalhealth.about.com/library/blsatan3.htm
http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~rwynar/Therapy.html
http://www.fmsfonline.org/mpdsra.html
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_1_2.htm
http://www.fmsfonline.org/satanic.html
http://www.paganculture.com/crimes.htm
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/chupacabras.html

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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What Satanic Rituals???

by Nathan Natas in

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friends

in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.

forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.

bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.

Jang

Judith wrote:

The woman I spoke with said that her husband (A JW) took the children but the other witnesses did not have knowledge of this. This woman took her children to counceling and they talked of more things that their father had done to them which sent her to a mental hospital for months. She got a divorce after the hospital stay and he was denied visitation with the children. She told me that she left the Kingdom Hall but didn't tell me if she had said anything to the elders.

A lot of people got on that bandwagon Judith and certain counsellors were promoting it as were many books .... They would also claim they were Multiple Personality Disorders or something like it.

Unfortunately, no matter how much proof you give these people they will believe wha they want to believe =----- just like JW's <G>

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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Interesting web stats-JW and ex-JW traffic

by Dogpatch in

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3: 0: : http://.

341409: http://www.freeminds.org/.

14610: http://freeminds.org/.

Jang

What are you using to get such good stats Randy?

Would love to get such detailed states about my pages too.

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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I USED TO PRAY I'D NEVER LOOSE THE TRUTH

by ballistic in

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i simply want to say what a great feeling it is to be free of the strangle-hold of mind control, guilt and the suppression of being in the truth.. i remember a co in a public talk saying how the new system would bring relief from the pressures of this system as if a huge weight had been removed from your shoulders.. and then those talks about being a "slave to sin" which carefully twists the "apparent" freedom of worldly persons into slavery.. i used to pray at night, that unlike my siblings in our large family, i wouldn't loose the truth.

i think something inside of me was scared i would.

i don't know why.. ok, so it took me through pioneering and a hopeless marriage but eventually i did loose it, and never wrote to thank them, and even though i'm not sure if i still believe in god or not, i should at least thank him, as i had prayed, a few days prior to my disfellowshipping, for him to guide me out of my troubles, whatever they may be.. i just want you all to know that although i post about anger at the wtbts, i trully am a very happy person, and i am happy to be here and to feel like that huge weight has already been lifted.. *

Jang

I used to pray at night, that unlike my siblings in our large family, I wouldn't loose the truth. I think something inside of me was scared I would. I don't know why.

Ballistic, you haven't lost the truth, you have just lost the control of the organization. You have thrown off their heavy yoke. That is why you feel free.

Jesus did say "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." He also said "I am the Truth" ..... and "My yoke is light"

There is a VAST difference between true Christian beliefs and those of religion - oppressive organizations like the WTS.

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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An Army of Women & the Taliban

by Jang in

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take all women who are within five years of menopause - train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer with spf15, prozac, hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally.. think about it.

our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to make even armed men in turbans tremble.. we've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future.

we'd like to get away from our husbands, if they haven't left already.

Jang

Take all women who are within five years of menopause - train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer with SPF15, Prozac, hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of Afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally.

Think about it. Our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to make even armed men in turbans tremble.

We've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future. We'd like to get away from our husbands, if they haven't left already. And for those of us who are single, the prospect of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as being struck by lightning. We have nothing to lose.

We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across America and never lost a pound. We can easily survive months in the hostile terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all!

We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers in bars, hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin Laden in some cave will be no problem.

Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government? Oh,
please ... we've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and extended families at Thanksgiving dinners for years ... we understand tribal warfare.

Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money sources. We know how to find that money and we know how to seize it ... with or without the government's help!

Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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Informal Apostate Gathering

by Stephanus in

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the rumours that i am going to sydney tomorrow to catch up with certain apostates who post to this board may or may not be true...

Jang

Prisca asked:

Is Bob Fowler any relation to Jeff Fowler? My dad used to know Jeff I think....

Don't think so. Jeff was our CO when I was baptised and he was our CO when I left!!!!

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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JW Response to NGO/UN info

by Andrew Farrell in

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following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

andrew,.

Jang

OK, so I have a response from Brooklyn Bethel as to what they are saying about their involvement in associating themselves with the UN. Some of my family went to visit yesterday and asked about it.
According to the person they talked to, no name given, but somewhat high up there (I am pretty sure I know who), said that they became an NGO years ago, when the application process was much simpler and the guidelines for being an NGO were much less stringent. They did it so that they could have access to literature that would not normally be available to the public and for "information purposes". They said they are reviewing their NGO status due to the recent changes in the requirements of the NGO's at this time.

So, now someone needs to phone the UN and ask what the criteria was when the WTS joined

Bet it hasn't changed at all

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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Beth Sarim Revisited 4 Newbies

by Farkel in

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at 4440 braeburn road, san diego, ca., in the rich and prestigious neighborhood of the kensington heights neighborhood sits one of the biggest embarrassments in the long and continuing list of embarrassments the watchtower society has created for itself.. most dubs know nothing about it, and if it wasnt for a few brief comments about it in the proclaimers book in 1993, even fewer dubs would know anything at all about it.. it is the home once known as beth-sarim (pronounced beth-sareeeem), the house of the princes.. it is a house with a history the society has shown by its historical lack of candor, hopes everyone would forget.

in fact, the society has done just about everything it could do to ensure that its history will be forgotten.

in the first book devoted to discussing the history of jehovahs witnesses, this house and its history is not even mentioned.

Jang

: 1975 Yearbook
: *** yb75 193-4 United States of America
CLOSING DAYS AT BETH-SARIM

It was comparing this, the day after I got it at the KH, and checking the Salvation book on my bookshelf that was a turning point for me in March 1975. From then on it was a chore to stay in there until armageddon in Oct/Nov.

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

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What R U Reading lately?

by Tina in

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i'm interested in finding out what everyone is reading these days.. or what books have had an impact on your worldview since leaving the org.. what have you found helpful in re-constructing and broadening the way you think and feel?.

what have you found to be particularly enlightening on 'your journey?'.

thanks in advance,luv to all.tina.

Jang

Well Tina ..... it would take too long to list them all here but suffice to say that just on JW's I have 5 shelves (4 ft long) full of books that I have read ....

Then there are another 25 x 4 ft shelves of theological stuff and info on other groups etc .....

for starters anyway

Then for relaxation I have read all the Ludlum books, Forbes, etc etc and just sold about 600 paperbacks with similar themes plus a bit of sci fi etc thrown in.

my husband reckons I am a bookaholic LOL

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/