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  WTS Didn't tell Relatives about death for 7 days

  by Jang in

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  mark palo < [email protected]> has given me permission to pass this on.

  i think what the wts did about notifying relatives is deplorable!!!!!!.

  today i received some sad news.

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  Jang

  Mark palo < [email protected]> has given me permission to pass this on. I think what the WTS did about notifying relatives is deplorable!!!!!!

  Today I received some sad news. My Aunt Miriam Sumen died at the age of 82. She was a sweet woman and believed in God very much. In fact she devoted her entire life to what she thought was Gods servcie. She never married and instead spent her entire lifetime as a Missionary of the Jehovahs Witnesses in the country of Chile. Her command of Spanish was excellent. What saddens me even more is that she spent all this time devoted to a lie. What a waste. I pray that her goodness and faith in what was right will allow for the compensation of Grace. When I left the Borg 10 years ago she tried to talk me out of it, but there was no way I could serve the machine anymore. She could just not see the forest for the trees. Mark Palo

  By the way it took the Society 7 days to notify anyone in the family. She was dead and buried before anyone knew. Typical Witness style.

  Mark also said that her story appeared one one of the magazines ....

  JanG
  CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
  Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/
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  Does fear control the JW's?

  by beroea in

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  does fear control the jws?.

  i notice amount several jw that a deep kind of fear are a long time partner in the jw person.

  this combine with a at long times experience of ignoring facts is why many stays even they see a lot of changes from the borg and sometimes even bad things .

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  Flabby, your mum is still young. Some of the best advice given by others who have left after so long a time is to gradually make friends outside of the org by getting involved in a hobby, joining a garden club or literature club, or doing some study for something she has always been interested in, Other things are volunteering at a hospital or helping children etc etc ..... over a period of time she will have met and made friends and she can use these interests to gradually attend the KH less and less.

  JanG
  CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
  Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/
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  Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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  after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

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  Jang

  Esther, I only used that one example of what Paul said .... as I said, This stuff about marriage is also in the same catagory, as is the postion of women in the church etc.

  The letters of Paul are probably the worst represented writings because they have been used by men to keep women under.

  Katherine Bushnells book, God's Word To Women was a real eye opener on this subject. You can see more about this at : http://www.godswordtowomen.org/gwtwbook.htm

  I have a couple of copies of it here too ....

  I recommend that we women read it even if we never believe again oly because it helps break the power of the borgs interpretion over us faster ....

  JanG
  CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
  Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/
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  Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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  after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

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  Esther, I used to feel like that about Paul too.

  One day I cam across a book that changed my whole outlook and made me dig into it a little further. The book was by former JW ELder Charles Trombley and called Who Said Women Can't Teach? From there I read a little more ... and one book by Katherine Bushnell was a real doozy.

  When you are ready I have all these in the library here and you are welcome to borrow them.

  Just to give you some idea of how men change it so you can't see the real meaning in a translation go look at 1 Tim 5:14 in the Greek and you will see the women are told to be the oikodespoto

  oiko means "house"
  despoto means "uncontrolled power"

  Now when it is the masculine oikodespotes then "master or ruler of the house" as you can see in places like Luke 22:11

  Now Esther, we all know what a DESPOT is .... and that is what Paul told us to be in our own homes.

  Paul, coming from a Jewish background would have know how things worked in kosher Jewish homes ..... and even today, a Jewish man will not superced the authority of his wife when it comes to household matters .....

  JanG
  CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
  Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/
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  Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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  after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

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  Jang

  At times I feel guilty for thinking like this, as if I'm treating the "Almighty Creator" in a blasphous way.

  I spoke to Dave about it and he said he feels the same way. So maybe lots people feel like this

  I felt like that for about 2 1/2 years after I left. Almost all the xjws that I have talkd to in the last 20 years have felt the same.

  Let's face it - we are burnt out on religion period. Why would we want to put ourselves through more before we are past that? If you burn out in a job need a couple of years to recover before you can face it again .... no different here.

  It is best to leave any decisions for or against until we are past the worst of it all, and can separate the good from the bad in our experience. That's when we can think clearly and if we make a decision we are doing because that is the way we want to go and not the way we are being "pushed" in reaction to our experience.
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  False Memories

  by Jang in

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  do any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?

  i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.

  since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .

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  [q]There are some people that just don't want to hear it. And you can say they don't need to listen, but when you are sticking things in peoples faces all the time we as humans don't like it.

  There are other people who don't want to hear it all the time because yes it does dreg up memories they don't want to be reminded of.

  Jang is there if someone wants to talk to her and she can help them, but it does not endear her to people when they get bombarded with stuff they really don't want to think about. When they are ready they will talk to someone. And yes at times they need a little coaxing but, coaxing is not continually sticking it in their face.[/q]

  Just being on this board "dreg(s) up memories they don't want to be reminded of"!!!!!!!! I doubt very much that what I post is as culpable as what people write about on the board about their own experiences! One only has to read some of the responses to see how triggering and painful it is for them to read them.

  Anything I post is more to do with healing and recovery ..... and it is based on professional writings if not copies of what they hand out anyway.

  And, again, if someone isn't ready to deal with it, they don't have to read it just as they don't have to read some of experiences posted on the board.

  The variety of posts on thie board, including what I post, are no different to likening it to a library with anti-JW books on the shelves.... sure some will see things they don't want to read, but there will always be someone who wants to read them.

  Another point? How often do I post them? If I posted them monthly I would complain too ....other than the IT HURTS article, it is about a year before I repost something unless I am sepcifically asked for it.

  ....... And during that time a whole host of newbies have come on who just may be happy to have the information.

  The "oldies" can skip them .... I don't care, but the e-mails I get from those who really appreciated it, plus the thankyous on the board don't support those who compain.

  Even if there is only one person who needed that info at that time, that is enough ....

  I listen, yes, but I also listen to those who write and thank me for taking the time to post these things where they can access them easily.

  I wish that those who have fussed over this would consider those people too.

  And again, I re-iterate, that I did not ask people to dredge up stories and memories, I was only asking for numbers .....
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  Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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  after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

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  Jang

  If you recall that to our way of thinking as JWs, God = Bible = Organization = Governing Body = Organization = Bible = God .

  When we leave we are angry at the Org and the GB and included in this is God and the Bible because they are part of the same equation.

  Separating them takes time but we have to if we are going to recover. Even if we end up being athiests, we have to separate God out of the equation and make a separate decision about Him.

  JanG
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  Who Is This Larouche Guy Anyway?

  by Englishman in

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  i keep falling over the sayings of mister larouche everytime that i take a peek at you knows posts.. i decided to investigate some of his writings.

  it seems to me that he has 2 bees in his bonnet, the first is that the usa is about to plunge into economical decline, the second indicates that 'lil' ole england wants to subvert the entire united states and pinch all it's wealth.. can someone give me some background on this fellow?

  is he a respected sort of guy or is he a shrimp short of a seafood salad?

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  Jang

  There is info at:

  http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookreview/csjbkrev101lyndon.htm

  http://www.anti-fascism.org/page-cults-af.htmlhttp://users.rcn.com/xnatlfed/articles/braibil.html

  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970407/specia.the_lure_of_t.html

  JanG
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  I got my nerve up, gonna try this again!

  by LostMyReligion in

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  i first posted to this board as "truman" about 2 months ago.

  it was a time of deep depression, confusion, fear, and paranoia for me, as i had just 3 weeks before discovered that everything i had believed for 27 years was only a pipe dream.. everyone was very welcoming, but after only a few posts, i got so afraid i had to stop.

  i was fearful of revealing too much, being somehow discovered, and of the possibility of saying the wrong thing, incurring the ire of my betters here.

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  Jang

  Good to see you back ..... and congratulations to taking back your life.

  If you find it difficult to senak out to the support group then there are also private mailing lists that you join where there are many others in similar positions as yourself and no one will know. You will find a lot of support and lots of people to discuss things with privately ....to subscribe go to:

  For us girlst only there are:

  For us girlst only there are:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/women-awake
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4xjwladies

  another list you can join is Jesus Witnesses ... its isn't a religious group despite its name .... but that is for both sexes and we have just about anyone you can think of there and have lots of fun.

  to subscribe go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jesus-witnesses

  and then there is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExJehovahsWitnesses
  and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjws
  and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EXJW-HEALING
  and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pioneeroutreach

  OK Fellas, there is one for the men only at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjwmen

  You can use an alias to protect your identity.

  JanG
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  WT Apostate site ? Need Help!

  by Scorpion in

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  does anyone have the link to the official wtbts link on apostates.

  i did a search on the site and came up empty.. the site i used to have was http://www.angelfire.com/ny/wtabtsaaa/menu.html.

  this page cannot be found.

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  Jang

  The only official site for the WTS that I know of is http://www.watchtower.org

  I think that one you have was actually run by an xjw ..... not sure but it sounds familiar ......vaguely

  JanG