Posts by miseryloveselders

the wt claims to be like the original christians of the first century.. if that is true, then it would be obvious to all that they follow the examples given in these two scriptures below:.

acts 2:45 "they sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.".

acts 4:35 "there were no needy persons among them.

miseryloveselders

He that does not work, does not eat......even if he can't find work.

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If God truly loved humans...why not reveal himself ? So that they could make an informed decision ?

by smiddy in

we learn from the bible that god spoke to adam ,then certain faithful ones,then after moses only the preisthood that was established,and individuals, raised as prophets,and this by the way is only a a small select group on the planet.never mind about other groups of humans.

fastforward to the era of christ ,again, god is only dealing with a small select group to advise and admonish.during the time from moses to christ he was only dealing with what became one small nation.the rest of humankind were left to their own devices.fastforward down to this 21st century we have no guidance/instruction/prophets to instruct or guide us.

( i know this is where jw`s would say but we have been preaching & teaching you god`s truths since 1879 ) all i can say their, is take your head out of the sand and look at all the changes ,corrections adjustments,re-adjustments,reversals,and failed expectations of prophecy you have published over this last century )so as to my question why hasn`t the god of the universe revealed himself to all humans of every race on all continents instead of just a small select group, if he truly was interested in the human race.

miseryloveselders

Okay, lets try it this way. He started out walking with Adam and Eve. That got forgotten (except for what is written). He spoke to Moses, led His people from Egypt (many miracles there), all of which faded into the realm of disbelief - even among the people from that generation. Daniel in the fire - never mind that, it never really happened... etc, etc.

But He HAS revealed Himself to us through His Son, this last time. We only have to look to the Son to see Him, but here we are, so many people disbelieving that this Son ever existed, never mind that He performed those miracles or rose from the dead.

We aren't very good at hearing or seeing.

Tammy

The only problem I have with that, is that His Son's appearance was over 2,000 years ago. According to the WT, world events today are thee only indication of His Son's latest "visible" presence. Sometimes that's not good enough for my own personal satisfaction. I need more evidence. Especially in this day and age of media. How do you expect people to have faith in an invisible God when a significant population doesn't even believe man ever went to the moon?

Another thing that bugs me, is the bible even makes a subtle case that we might all be stupid for believing all this stuff. So Jehovah spoke directly to the Israelites, but His voice and presence terrified them so much that they insisted Moses do all the talking for now on. (Exodus 10:18-21) There's enough evidence to indicate the Pentateuch was written many years after Moses came and gone, with multiple writers being possible contributers. All with different agendas and rivalries. I'm supposed to "just take their word for it" when it comes to these stories? Especially with a gem like that verse indicating we'd never hear the voice of God again because we'd be too terririfed? So they essentially spelled it out for the reader that we'll have to just "take their word for it" that God at one point spoke directly to mankind without any hangups. So here we are 2010 going on 2011, and again we're left with people who want us to "take their word for it." From individuals on here representing JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH (peace to you!), to several old obscure men in NY representing the faithful and discreet slave class, exclusively by the way!!

Another issue I have with it is that of supernatural events. I've never seen seas split apart into walls, or armies overnight being slain by one angel, or fish swallowing men whole and puking them back out a few days later. Thats all pretty outlandish. The Christian Greek scriptures got a little bit more realistic, but not by much. Maybe we can even leave those writings up to the reader's imagination. The apostles were freed from jail by an angel, or maybe they just broke out with some inside assistance. People were raised from the dead and healed from their physical ailments, or maybe the ancient people were more advanced in medical treatment than we give them credit for? I don't know, but what I do know....is that these things aren't happening today. When those who claim to represent God perform similar events today or report of similar events it comes off like a fraud or hoax. You know I could look out the window right now from my office floor and make the case that there's a virgin mary image in the hillside. But then, going back to the bible, it makes the subtle argument that we're all stupid for expecting to see such things in our day and age anyway. (1 Cor 13:8-12). Depending on how you read that, the argument can be made that we're childlike for expecting such things or believing such things are even possible.

I guess this is where faith comes in.(Heb 11:1) I got more faith on some days than others. Overall speaking though, it would be nice if the evidence outweighed the need for faith.

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What Are You Reading?

by zoiks in

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ok, here's my current list:.

i just finished the greatest show on earth by richard dawkins, and am almost finished crisis of conscience by...some guy.. currently in hand, i have:.

the power of myth, joseph campbell and bill moyers.

miseryloveselders

I just purchased Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia on Saturday night. I have a feeling that by the time I get done with it, I'll be schizophrenic.

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Brief Drama Parody: Do Not Let Your Eye Become Wicked

by sd-7 in

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[drama introduction music].

[brothers move out podium, replace it with a couch, love seat, and a television on a bench.

two teenage girls, who can best be described as jailbait for worldly people, watch an objectionable program together.].

miseryloveselders

I was inspired by the February 15th, 2011 WT--there's a picture of a family watching TV, a show or movie called "Vein Love". I thought it was hilarious and figured, why not throw together a second-rate drama about it? I'm just bummed out that there's been so little response. Guess I'm the only one who saw that picture and found it amusing. Meh.

-sd-7

LOL, Vein Love as in Vain Love? Wow. I don't have that WT yet, or maybe I do and haven't browsed through it yet. I'm not too keep on current pop culture, but it appears gothic romances are all the rage now huh? Flicks like Twilight and Underworld are like Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet with a Vampire/Werewolf angle. Young people must be eating up (no pun intended). It's funny how the WT find new boogiemen every so often. Went from heavy metal to gangsta rap. Apostate literature to Facebook. Now there's gothic romance movies. By the way Kate Beckinsale looked good in Underworld. Terrible series of films in my opinion, but she looked good.

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Lurkers: What do you think of DJEggnog?

by sabastious in

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i'm curious to what the lurkers think of this guy?

have you read a lot of his posts?

do you think he makes good points?

miseryloveselders

The level of JW apolgist in 2010 is so low, that to get one that at least will debate is something in itself.

Part of the reason I hung around on this forum was I was hoping to see better arguments by the JW apologists. Eventually it hit me that, its not going to happen, and I have to decipher the information myself.

I personally don't even believe Eggnogg is a JW in good standing. I find it hard to accept that. Some of his answers aren't even in harmony with the WT. The other thing is everyone on this forum has been around JWs that even hardcore indoctrinated JWs want absolutely nothing to do with. These are people who have poor social standings in their home congregations. They bounce around from congregation to congregation blaming the previous congregation for the reasons they left. They tend to have mental problems, or family problems that are complex even by Jerry Springer standards. Nobody wants to work with these folks in field service. Nobody wants to hear their broken record of woe is me at the Hall. They're the people who hear about the congregation picnic and are upset because someone weirder than themselves got the invite before them. They're upset because the brother with a part on the Service Meeting didn't ask them to the demonstration. But the saddest part of it all, is they still want to believe that this is The Truth. So they go to the next available social outlet for JWs. Places like this message board. Here Kegnogg can make himself feel important. He can count time in field service. He's probably counting RVs with every log-in, and bible studies with every PM. He justifies this to himself saying, "somebody's gotta take it to these apostates!! I'm imitating Jesus when he preached to the spirits in prison!!!"

Or he may be as mentioned earlier......having serious doubts and making sure this is in fact still The Truth. He just has a really long winded way of going about it.

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Roman Catholic 's Apostolic lineage VS Christ's Invisible return in 1914--Which one is more factual?

by jay88 in

just wanted to get some thoughts.... .

thanks in advanced.

jay,.

miseryloveselders

Maybe the RCC was being refined.

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Has FB made witnesses more nutty?

by stuckinlimbo in

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trinkets like these make me want to .

when you carry the bible, satan gets a headache; when you open it, he collapses; when he sees you reading it he faints; when he sees you are living what you read, he flees!!

and when you are about to re-post this message, he will try and discourage you ... i defeated him!!

miseryloveselders

They know they're not supposed to be on Facebook according to Borg directives and so they overcompensate with over the top "spiritual" Wall posts to assuage their guilt. They're like the JW lesbian couples who become "pioneer partners" thinking that Jehovah won't kill them for loving each other as long as they put in enough field service time.

Regarding JWs on social media: "It's sorta social. Demented and sad, but social."

This is what I was thinking too. It's all the misfit JWs who are misfits even by JW Misfit standards. It's similar to the proJWs who show up on this forum occasionally. No die hard believing JW will hang around this forum for too long. Same with FB as the Slave Class has badmouthed it for the past couple years at Circuit Assemblies. All the freaks, weirdos and jackasses like Eggnogg, or Confearacy.

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Are most JW's window washers?

by SlipnSlide in

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i have read this on this site and know some that do this type of work.

if most jw's are window washers, what other occupations are considered the type of jobs that a witless would have.

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miseryloveselders

And Miz, would you not agree that the WT, among the world's "major" religions (more than a few million adherents), is one of the worst when it comes to encouraging personal/worldly success? Funny you mention Nation of Islam. I'm not black and I don't mean to bring race into this but when you put poor Sam Herd next to the dynamic Malcolm X, which of those guys do you think would be more proud to see young folks (especially young black folks) with a diploma in their hand?

Good point. Very good point.