jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.
what proof is there of him existing?
we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.
Shauna,
If you want to discuss issues don't be so extremely sensitive. You seem to take any difference of opinion as full-scale declaration of war. Calm down.
And yes, you seem to actually not know what "average" means. Otherwise your statement about some people being older than the average lifespan does not make any sense.
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
do you believe in reincarnation?.
i dont think i believe in it in the same way that most believers do, which is that we keep coming back in different fleshly bodies until we have achieved perfection.. i do, however, strongly suspect that we may well be spirit creatures who find it necessary to inhabit a fleshly body from time to time, and that this entails us having to leave behind most of our past memories.. i say most memories, because many people seem to have some vestigal recollections that don`t seem to fit in with earthly experiences.. i`m pretty sure that i chose my parents!
i have a recollection of being shown a young and kind couple through some form of astral telescope and choosing to become their son.
Didn't figure you for a new ager, Englishman. You been feeling well lately?
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.
what proof is there of him existing?
we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.
Jan...sorry, but I recall Jesus being 33 1/2 years old when he died. I agree that 40 was probably too high. I was just providing a span. Now if you want to say that the Bible is completely inaccurate in saying that anyone including Jesus could have lived to 33 1/2 years old or beyond, no problem with me.
Uh, Shauna, if you really don't know what the word "average" means, I can surely explain it.
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.
what proof is there of him existing?
we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.
They were, for all intents & purposes, like slaves. Their life expentancy was only about 30-40 years, mainly due to the harsh conditions of working in the fields. On the other hand, the average life of a Roman was considerably longer, about 65-70 years.
This is just nonsense. Those who made this TV programme must have been very ignorant of history. The average life expectancy was nowhere in the world as high as 40 in the ancient world. Most likely it was around 21-22 in both places, which is the same as it was in the Stone Age, and what it still was everywhere in the world until around 1600, when there began a gradual increase in Europe due to better food supply.
Source: Ascardi, George and J. Nemeskeri. 1970. History of Human Life Span and Mortality. Budapest: Akademiai Kiado.
Roman control of Palestine was reasonable lax. Romans rarely interfered in local politics, but wanted to keep law and order. In this time and age, most everyone were slaves under those who owned the land.
Like always in history, it wasn't the poor who opposed the foreign rule, it was thise who had something to lose: the (small but important) middle class.
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.
what proof is there of him existing?
we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.
An ossuary, found near the tomb of "Simon Barsabas" (Acts 1:21 & 15:22) is inscribed with the dedication: "[To] Jesus, the Lord." Scholars believe this is the earliest record of Christian faith ever found. The burial cave, where the stone coffin was discovered, was sealed not later than the year 42 A.D., more than a decade before any part of the New Testament was written.
Well, I never heard about this before now. A search on the net found no other references than an obscure "Jerusalem Christian Post" web site making the claims you quote: See http://www.securesite.net/ss2ad/past/main910.html
There are countless examples of Christian frauds, making up evidence where there is none. While I don't want to dismiss out of hand such a thing, I think it's extremly suspicious if such a remarkable found would not become more widely known, and in more credible sources.
Another article to the same effect can be found here: http://www.nhbccares.net/jcr_part2.htm I don't know about you, but to me it's hard to imagine any story having a stronger smell of fraud.
The use of Prof. Sukenik's name does not easen this suspicion. Sukenik was one of the first archeologists to learn about the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947. He was an old man then, if I'm not much mistaken, and he's very unlikely to be alive still. The finds are nowehere dated. Famous name and the absense of actual details of where and when does not sound credible to me.
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
there is a forum put together by some jehovah's witnesses, trying to put together some of the missing pieces of their history, in particularly the years years c.t.
russell was a member of the adventist church, wanting information on those early influences.. http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/.
perhaps some of the more informed ones here can enlighten them, since the moderator of the board seems to be talking to himself!
Russell was not, as far as I know, ever a member of the Adventist Church (whatever that may be).
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
a bozo calling itself "shiningone" recently posted on the h2o board some typically bad arguments supposedly defending the bible.
i posted a rebuttal to a number of specific points, which is reproduced below.
guess what the response was.. those familiar with jw teaching will recognize some of the bad defensive arguments.. <hr>.
Alan,
Well, you could always explain the flat-earthism statements in the Quran "metaphorically" if you so chose. Most modern muslems do, of course, like most xtians do with the Bible.
There was an interesting incident in Saudia Arabia in 1993. Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz declared the idea of a spherical earth un-islamic, and issued this edict or fatwa: "The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished."
Some time later, obviously after some internal debate, he came out denying such a fatwa ever existed, and dropped the matter silently.
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
a bozo calling itself "shiningone" recently posted on the h2o board some typically bad arguments supposedly defending the bible.
i posted a rebuttal to a number of specific points, which is reproduced below.
guess what the response was.. those familiar with jw teaching will recognize some of the bad defensive arguments.. <hr>.
Uh, Jave, you were in our little exclusive cc-philia? Wow! Brings back memories.
Pls send me an email at [email protected] so I can learn your real name. I seem to have misplaced my old mails from that time.
Btw, anyone in touch with JR, the man who took the initiative to Philia back then?
- Jan
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
-- Albert Einstein
i think it would be interesting to know whether or not you believe that the jews recovery of their homeland (israel) in the 20th century had anything to do with god?
qualify your answer if you care to.. zechariah
Israel is an apartheid state.
As long as the Israelis have their patrons in Washington DC and can get away with any violation of human rights imaginable without raising any concerns in the U.S., there will never be anything resembling peace in the Middle East.
- Jan
do you think the wts will ever reduce the number of meetings per week, maybe drop one night a week?
just curious!
it seems that everyone is so whipped from working all day, i really think that's why there is such a drop in meeting attendance.
A very important question. I wished I knew the answer.
For some time, I've been looking for signs that the WTS is mainstreaming. It would actually be the first time in its history that it moved in the "liberal" direction, but it seems to be what is happening. Acceptance of civil service, attempts to put behind itself the blood ban point in this direction. However, the instituting of lawyer-based PR agencies indicates a more uncompromising stand.
The surest sign of a mainstreaming would be that the requirments for field service and meeting attendence is lessened. So far, the only sign this is happening is the lower requirements for pioneers, and that may not be so important. Rather, it can be a sign the WTS wants to inflate the pioneer numbers after a decline.
I think we'll still have to wait and see.
- Jan
