Posts by garyneal

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Discussion with my dad about 607 in a week,,,,help?

by stillstuckcruz in

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so to make a long story short, my family found out about my "apostacy"(i couldn't take it anymore) and now everything is all in shambles.

they still feel there is "hope" for me.

(ha!).

garyneal

All good advice but somewhat conflicted. I've tried doing this myself and I've been tripped up by their craftiness. I think JW Facts said it best, in my opinion. Keep us posted on how it goes.

Anyway, in a week,maybe less, he wants to discuss that date and why I don't support it. Keep in mind that my dad is an elder(one of the more reasonable ones) and is also a math wiz. So is there anything I can use that will show him that it can't be correct? I want to keep it simple as too much info will help no one. lol.

He's a math whiz so I would try AlleyMom's angle as suggested by AnnOMaly. Just work out the numbers using only the Watchtower material referenced.

His defense was the typical JW responce...that JW's rely only on the bible and not worldly historians, who don't have a love of the scriptures bla bla bla.

There are no dates given in the Bible, so how in the world can anyone determine what the date is if one relied only on the Bible? That question should open his mind as he needs to figure out how any of the dates are determined.

He also said that non-JW sources rely on the Gregorian calender while JW's rely on the lunar calendar or some other nonsense.

But the date, 539 B.C.E. is given in terms of the Gregorian calendar. Even down to the month that it was suppose to happen (October?). How could the witnesses rely on the lunar calendar without converting it over to the Gregorian calendar? Wouldn't it make sense that the non-witness sources did the same thing.

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DISCUSSION WITH A JW; YOUR INPUT PLEASE...

by Mary in

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i'm 'talking' with a jw on another site who of course, does not believe that they are 'false prophets' and says that:.

"...prophetic inspiration and being filled with the spirit ( to use a common expression) do not mean the same thing.".

"...again the wts is using the term "prophet" in the basic sense of a spokesman.

garyneal

If the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not a false prophet, neither is Harold Camping.

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Is the Watchtower blood guilty?. See what some elders have to say.

by blond-moment in

this jc is worth listening to, in my opinion he has the elders against the ropes most of discussion.. if you are only going to listen to one, this one is the money shot, this is the one i wish those curious about jw could hear.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhixl-riwzq.

garyneal

marked

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She's back and I could really use some advice!

by OneDayillBeFree in

i dont know where to begin.

i do know it might get lengthy so i'm sorry for that.

and also many thanks to all who read the whole thing.

garyneal

I don't know. I tend to believe that honesty is the best policy when it comes to revealing your feelings about things. She asked you how you felt and you hesistated to answer. Now you are trying to steer her out of the cult. I guess if you were already married, that is one thing, but going into a relationship trying to change someone?

I wouldn't put in the effort if I were you. Too much stress.

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In Love with a JW but he dumped me

by Ranavalona in

so i just broke up with my jw boyfriend of over two years, nearly three.

when i met him he was disfellowshipped and i didn't find out he was a jehovah's witness unitl 4 months into the relationship.

six month into he was reinstated with the caution of getting rid of me, but he didnt.

garyneal

Once again, my advice, count your blessings as this really is a blessing in disguise, leave this board (if you have not already done so), and live your life. The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower are the cross that we have to bear and the Hell we have to endure. You've been set free of this, so be free and find yourself and find someone who will appreciate you.

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CRAZINESS!!! I'M BEING 'MARKED' FOR GOING TO COLLEGE!!!

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

ohmygosh!!!

one of my friends who is a ms told me today that the elders have 'marked' me because i'm a reg.pioneer and i've decided to go to college next semester???!

he said he can't tell me anymore but to be careful---what the hell does 'mark' mean?

garyneal

Mr EggNog:

I have to admit, your post was actually somewhat fair and balanced given the aspect that this girl appears to be wanting to continue to be a witness and go to college at the same time. Frankly, if I were in her shoes I would want to know whether or not any of the elders had a college degree. If not, then do any of the highly respected brothers have a degree? If so, then I would not worry about the marking and if I should ever get called into the back room, I would be most prepared to point out who had the degrees and the hypocrisy of them denying me the right to get mine.

Frankly, this reminds me too much of what happened to me at an IFB church when my girlfriend and I were attending. One of her friends told her after the sermon that my girlfriend and I were being 'too lovey dovey' and were a distraction in the church. I could not believe it, all we did was hold hands and I may have put my arm around her. Nothing that I did not see other couples doing. I was PO'd to say the least and I called that pastor and gave him a piece of my mind. He swore up and down that he never made those remarks to her friends and apologized profusely. I wasn't buying it and I never set foot in that church again and I heard later on that her friends were nearly kicked out for saying that. If it had been a year or so earlier, I probably would not have said anything. I may have even tried to appease the pastor. However, by then I had had enough of their beating up on me for never being good enough and I was fighting back.

I would imagine that if this kind of tripe continues in MGG's life, she will get equally disgusted and start calling them out.

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In Love with a JW but he dumped me

by Ranavalona in

so i just broke up with my jw boyfriend of over two years, nearly three.

when i met him he was disfellowshipped and i didn't find out he was a jehovah's witness unitl 4 months into the relationship.

six month into he was reinstated with the caution of getting rid of me, but he didnt.

garyneal

You are better off without him, and my advice, stay as far away from Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, Mormons, Fundamentalists, etc, as possible. They have a warped view of the world.

Think of it this way, it hurts because it did not work out. It really hurts. I can sympathize with that. Now imagine if it did work out, you two get married, he gets reinstated and becomes gung-ho on his religion. There goes birthdays for your kids, if your kids want to participate in holiday activities at their school, your husband will feel ultra compelled to prevent that. Your husband will feel ultra compelled to take the kids to all the meetings, leaving you at home alone. Of course, you could go along but you will feel like you are selling yourself short, doing things for others and not doing what makes you happy. You will here a constant barrage about how people in the world are second class people, only they are good people.

Sure, you and your husband may work out something and he may promise not to try to indoctrinate them. However, he will feel compelled to indoctrinate them to hate all holidays and view people of the world with disdain. If not him, then someone else in the cong will. I had a JW babysitter scare my daughter into not wanting to watch Super Why. Fundamentalist wackos are like that as I recall how wacky some of the people at the IFB churches I use to attend were about Captian Planet and the Smurfs. Thank God my daughter got over that fear of Super Why (she watches it now).

I don't have to go into the whole blood thing do I? He will feel compelled to refuse blood transfusions for the kids and for YOU, even at the cost of life itself.

Count your blessing, leave this board, and do not look back. Stay away from these fundamentalist wackos and live your life.

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Attended 2-Day Circuit Assembly--Highlights

by Cadellin in

since my spouse is an active elder, i accompany him to sads, cas and das, at least for the time being.

anyway, i thought i'd share some of the more odd/disturbing bits from the latest "sanctify god's name" ca.

there wasn't anything particularly new but the tone toward porn, higher ed, bad assoc, "habitual" murmuring and harmful gossip is definitely hardening, as are the cautions against social networking.

garyneal

The "mature" brother says, "You're making it harder than it is. When Jesus used the term "generation," he EVIDENTLY meant the lives of those anointed living in 1914 would overlap with those anointed who would see the end." The "unsure" brother responds: "Oh, is that it? Well, that's not so hard."

Yep, same stuff I heard at my wife's assembly recently. I just thought, "These people will believe ANYTHING the Watchtower tells them." How sad.

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Just came across this Blog - Memorial Invite

by cantleave in

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http://callofdutymom.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/keep-doing-this-in-remembrance-of-me.html.

garyneal

Ha Ha, classic...

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College and the Watchtower: Remember One Thing

by metatron in

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if any of you lurkers listen to a rant by the society against college, remember one thing:.

the brother giving the talk is probably an utter hypocrite.. there are a few exceptions but consider that many elders are financially secure - which allows them to be elders.

while they talk about not planning for the future because armageddon 'is so close', they have pensions, ira's, roth accounts and investments.

garyneal

Actually, money is just one factor in considering a better job. How about health insurance? Paid vacation and time off? Weekends off? Working conditions? Respect in the workplace? Job security? Some people are actually willing to switch jobs with a cut in pay in order to have other advantages.

You're so preaching to the choir, Billy. Never-the-less, she likes her vacations and shopping sprees. Those things don't come free. However, I certainly don't consider her to be money grubby, she just realizes that we need more money if we want to be able to work and have daycare provided (which is by no means cheap), plus have a roof over our head and food on the table while still being able to do some of those extra things. You know like, vacations and eating out and shopping sprees.