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  Ready to put the breaks on my kids attending meetings

  by marriedtoajw in

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  those of you who have been reading any of my posts know my situation with my jw wife.

  to update you a little on what's been going on, here it is.

  my 22 year old son who still lives at hom has stopped studying with the jw's and has not been to meetings for a few weeks.

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  garyneal

  My daugher is getting more confused too. She wants to go trick or treating but is asking questions as to why the people at the meeting says it's bad and the other kids there can't go.

  Different people view things differently, some people think it is okay to trick or treat, some do not. The attitude witnesses take with Halloween can also be found in many Christian churches as well. Tell her you think it is okay if she wants to do it.

  Are you in charge of your finances? You should be if you alone are making all the money. Pay what bills you can and cut off non essential things. For me, something non-essential might include a cell phone plan that my wife and I have. If she starts making her own money, she can buy her own plan. That is just an example, your mileage may vary.
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  JW.org keyword is effective tool ;-)

  by jw07 in

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  based on my personal experience adding 'jw.org' to online posts (especially youtube videos) seems to have a good effect with regards to spreading ttatt to not so tech savvy jws.

  i was at an elder's house last week when he stumbled on to 'jehovah's witnesses new light on f&ds.

  jw.org' by brad zook.

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  garyneal

  My mother-in-law tells my wife to make sure that the address says jw.org for if it does not "it may be apostate."
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  Help with a part in the ministry school... teaches TTATT subtly

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my gf has the part "why are there so many religions".... i need to place some ttatt seeds very subtly... i don't care if they go right above most jw's heads... .

  any ideas?.

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  Wow, my wife has the same talk. She went over it with me last night and I noticed many similarities as if the witnesses all read from the same script. I suppose they do, no original thought here.

  Her take on the question was that people become disgruntled with their church over doctrine or other issues, leave the church, and find another one nearby. On some level, I could accuse Pastor Russell of doing this.
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  Help with a part in the ministry school... teaches TTATT subtly

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my gf has the part "why are there so many religions".... i need to place some ttatt seeds very subtly... i don't care if they go right above most jw's heads... .

  any ideas?.

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  garyneal

  When people do not read what is in the Bible, and only accept what their church leaders tell them without verifying if what they are being taught is actually in the Bible, then they are likely to follow men instead of really listening to God.

  So, I will leave you these magazines, and how about when I come back we study with the Bibleifthere is a true religion?

  Now there's a contradiction if I've ever seen one.
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  Help with a part in the ministry school... teaches TTATT subtly

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my gf has the part "why are there so many religions".... i need to place some ttatt seeds very subtly... i don't care if they go right above most jw's heads... .

  any ideas?.

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  garyneal

  Really???!!?! What awake?

  Haven't read it for myself but I think this source is trustworthy. It lists the Awake (correction Watchtower) article that speaks of it and upon a second glance does not directly come out and call Mr Camping a false prophet, but it did refer to his prediction as prophecy.

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/jehovahs-prophet.php

  As far as him saying it was invisible, that was discussed here sometime ago. I will have to look up the thread.
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  When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

  the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

  by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

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  garyneal

  Did you read Matt Walsh's article? It is so bad I think I will have to respond to it later.

  Yes I did, it is indeed terrible and I said as much in the comments section.
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  I told my wife that she was in a cult...

  by garyneal in

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  ...it is not the first time i did this but from time to time when i get frustrated i tend to say things i later regret, like this.. she went to the meeting this past sunday and apparently she heard a talk about watching her associations.

  she told me that she was glad to have that talk because the message was timely for her.

  you see, the saturday night prior she and my kids were at her sisters house and her sister and friends suggested that she hang out with them sometime.

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  garyneal

  Well a loose definition would essentially be anyone who has ever changed their mind. Lol.

  You know, I think you're onto something. Perhaps I am an apostate.
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  I told my wife that she was in a cult...

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...it is not the first time i did this but from time to time when i get frustrated i tend to say things i later regret, like this.. she went to the meeting this past sunday and apparently she heard a talk about watching her associations.

  she told me that she was glad to have that talk because the message was timely for her.

  you see, the saturday night prior she and my kids were at her sisters house and her sister and friends suggested that she hang out with them sometime.

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  garyneal

  Per JW practices for decades now, it's not about your being 'guilty by association', but EVERYONE who speaks out publicly, even if not baptized, is guilty of apostasy for publicly criticizing the WT.

  Yeah, in the Watchtower apostate is the dreaded boogeyman all witnesses are to fear. Better to be a rapist or a pedophile than to be one of them.

  Jehovah's Witnesses think they have a right to lable everyone else but how dare anyone put lables on them. The bully people with the lable "apostate."

  Yeah, their reasoning book is provided just for those labels like false prophets and cults.

  Jesus was an apostate. He is my hero!

  Mine too, he was also accused of having a demon in Him.

  PS, you're "feeding at the table of DEMONS!!!!" Scary isn't it? Happy Halloween! LOL

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YeR7GTaZ0c

  “Yeah, if you're not FOR THE WT, you're against them…” Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes!
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  I told my wife that she was in a cult...

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...it is not the first time i did this but from time to time when i get frustrated i tend to say things i later regret, like this.. she went to the meeting this past sunday and apparently she heard a talk about watching her associations.

  she told me that she was glad to have that talk because the message was timely for her.

  you see, the saturday night prior she and my kids were at her sisters house and her sister and friends suggested that she hang out with them sometime.

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  garyneal

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy

  Some consequences for it that the Watchtower can only envy:

  The following are some nations that treat apostasy under their criminal laws.

  • Iran – illegal (death penalty) [ 13 ] [ 14 ] [ 15 ]
  • Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment) [ 15 ]
  • Pakistan – illegal (death penalty [ 15 ] since 2007)
  • United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging) [ 16 ]
  • Somalia – illegal (death penalty) [ 17 ]
  • Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions) [ 18 ] [ 19 ]
  • Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions) [ 15 ] [ 20 ]
  • Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution) [ 21 ] [ 22 ]
  • Qatar – illegal (death penalty) [ 23 ]
  • Yemen – illegal (death penalty) [ 23 ]
  • Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging) [ 24 ] [ 25 ]
  • Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days) [ 26 ]
  • Morocco – illegal to proselytise conversion (15 years' imprisonment) [ 27 ]
  • Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy [ 28 ] [ 29 ] [ 30 ]
  • Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child [ 31 ]
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  I told my wife that she was in a cult...

  by garyneal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...it is not the first time i did this but from time to time when i get frustrated i tend to say things i later regret, like this.. she went to the meeting this past sunday and apparently she heard a talk about watching her associations.

  she told me that she was glad to have that talk because the message was timely for her.

  you see, the saturday night prior she and my kids were at her sisters house and her sister and friends suggested that she hang out with them sometime.

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  garyneal

  https://www.google.com/#q=apostate

  a·pos·tate ?'päs?tat , -tit / noun noun: apostate ; plural noun: apostates

  1. 1. a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.

     synonyms:

     dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat ; More nonconformist ; schismatic ; archaic heretic ; rare recusant, recreant, tergiversator " after 50 years as an apostate, he returned to the faith "

     antonyms:

     follower

  adjective adjective: apostate

  1. 1. abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.