You're bringing back college memories, wha Happened! It's been a long, long time since I've had a midnight snack at Beverly and Rampart. Make mine a a double cheese with extra chili. Tommy's is the best!
GLTirebiter
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I Want A Greasy Hamburger!
by snowbird inthe kind that used to come in waxed white paper and would make your chin greasy before the first bite!.
an ice-cold pepsi or grape kool-aid would finish the meal, thank you.
sylvia.
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Feel like some relaxing music ? What music do you listen to relax ?
by The Almighty Homer intime to put your feet up pour yourself a hot cup of tea or hot chocolate and relieve the stress of the day.. some music from the past to reflect perhaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn4zdjfgub0.
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How Did You Discover JWD/JWN ?
by minimus ini always read h2o, randy's site and anything that might stay current.
i think it was h2o that said they were closing there but another site was opening and it was this one.. i'm curious how you got to find this place..
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GLTirebiter
So I came here and immediately pissed everyone off on this board... Farkel
Yes, but you always make me laugh while you're doing it. Don't stop now!
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How Did You Discover JWD/JWN ?
by minimus ini always read h2o, randy's site and anything that might stay current.
i think it was h2o that said they were closing there but another site was opening and it was this one.. i'm curious how you got to find this place..
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Googled "Jehovah's Witness divorce", found freeminds.org, and that led me here.
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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GLTirebiter
Yes, I know Jesus wasn't born on 12/25 (it was more likely October). I know that early Christians chose to celebrate Christ's birth to coincide with the Solstice celebrations, not only to ease pagans into Christianity but also so they would be less conspicuous (it was a time of persecution).
I see the Father's sending the Son to live among us as being worthy of remembrance. That we do so on an arbitrary day does not matter, after all, the entire calendar is arbitrary as well as pagan in origin. What matters is the remembrance, not the specific day.
For me, celebrating Christmas fills the empty hole that existed for most of the years I was unevenly yoked to my JW ex. I did so throughout my childhood, youth, and early adulthood. I understood the reason for it from the time I was in first grade, thanks to the teachers at our parochial school. To me, the years of ignoring Christmas were years of denying the Father's gift to all mankind. I am not reverting to pagan practices, I am returning to showing appropriate gratitude for God's greatest gift to mankind.
Christmas is not about Santa! See Dicken's Christmas Carol, see Shultz's Charlie Brown Christmas, see the crew of Apollo 8 giving a Christmas Eve reading while voyaging past the moon, see the Salvation Army, USMC, and many others offering charity to whomever is in need. That is the Spirit in action. That is Christmas.
Wishing everybody a "Merry Christmas!",
GL Tirebiter
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My Wife is demanding that I stop coming to this board.
by garyneal inokay, i am in a bit of a dilemma.
since i believe in honesty between marriage mates, i have been telling my wife about this board and my participation on it.
i feel it is only right so that she won't feel like i have anything to hide.
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Hopscotch said
is there any possibility of you and your wife getting some couples counselling. .... Having an unbiased person assist with some negotiations and personal boundaries within your marriage may help.
I agree, but the key is seeing an unbiased person. If your wife suggests getting counsel from the elders insist on seeing a trained, unbiased professional instead. See a counselor that both of you can trust. It's obvious from your post that the WT Society is a significant part of the rift between you. An elder providing counsel in this case would be a conflict of interest, no ethical counselor would accept a case they could even appear to be a party to. If she objects to that, well, that tells you how important your opinions and feelings are to her. You may need to see the counselor alone if that's the case.
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My Wife is demanding that I stop coming to this board.
by garyneal inokay, i am in a bit of a dilemma.
since i believe in honesty between marriage mates, i have been telling my wife about this board and my participation on it.
i feel it is only right so that she won't feel like i have anything to hide.
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GLTirebiter
looking on a forum that's nothing to do with her is not disrespecting her.
I agree, but I'm sure she won't. The WT identity is her identity, that's how high control groups work. If you do anything critical of the Witness Organization, in her eyes you are criticizing her. On the other hand, when she criticizes "this system", christendom, "the internet", and anything that matter to you--well, that's nothing personal the WT indoctrination speaking. That is how they program the rank and file to react (not think).
Gary, act with love and also with integrity. This doesn't mean giving your wife her way all the time, often it means having the courage to say no (much like raising children). Giving in to unreasonable demands only leads to another round (as I learned myself, though too late). You can't respect her if you don't also respect yourself. Do this for your daughter, do this for your wife, as well as for yourself. The example you show can be a powerful antidote to WT stereotypes.
There's no guarantee of how things will work out. Just be sure that whatever happens, you have acted as honestly and honorably as humanly possible.
Wishing you the best in a tough situation,
GLT
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Baptism
by Aeiouy inso i was thinking about baptism today, and something that was said in my jc meeting a few months ago.
i was baptized at the ripe old age of 10. yes that's right, 10. that should be illegal.
what kind of 10 year old knows what they want to do for the rest of their life?
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You could have been a baby being baptised into the church. Then when you were 10 went through classes became confirmed ands start partaking communion because mom n dad wanted you to. How is that any different?
Difference #1: When you quit going to mass and confession, you won't be publicly denounced from the pulpit and lose all your friends and family (making mama cry is punishment enough).
Difference #2: If you later decide to come back you are welcomed, not snubbed and looked down on while you serve a year's probation.
It isn't the the act of child baptism that's different, it's the way the WT tries to hold it against you!
GLT
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Accepting Christmas gifts
by crapola inhave you ever noticed how the ones that don't celebrate the holidays or give gifts are very quick to accept them from employers, etc?
my mom for instance is already talking about what she will use her christmas bonuses for but frowns on the ones doing the giving.
seems kinda hypocritical to me..
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That's because JH uses unrighteous ones to provide for his people.
I still bristle at that hypocrisy. The Bible teaches giving to others, not being slothful and expecting others to support us. The righteous ones are those who give freely, the unrighteous are those who expect others to give to them while offering as little as possible themselves. Consider Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 40:28-30 [New Jerusalem translation]:
My child, do not live by sponging off others, better be dead than be a sponger. A life spent in eyeing someone else's table cannot be accounted a life at all. Other peoples' food defiles the gullet, a wise, well-brought-up person will beware of doing this. What a sponger says may sound very sweet, but in his belly there burns a fire.
GLT
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Feeling it today
by Heartbreaker ini know there is talk on here about post traumatic stress and its affects, but i never imagined i'd feel like i was going through it.
now, not on a large scale i hope, but the last few days i've just really been feeling the hurt of losing my family, and those people i counted as friends in the congregations and assemblies that will not longer view me as acceptable to be around.
my teen daughters have friends, and a crowd to be around, and my husband has even made some contacts that he had before, and ones that he's met new that share hobbies and interests.
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I went up to a few business to see if I could leave a flyer, and it was like informal witnessing to me. I had a crunch in my gut over it. I hated the preaching work, absolutely hated it
(((Heartbreaker))),
Indeed there are similarities between field service and making business sales calls. But there's also a big difference: now you're representing a product that people want and need, not conning them into something worthless, even harmful. So don't feel bad about it, use the poise and practice from service training to do a good job! If you really can't face doing sales, look for another line of work--but be sure it's really your choice, not just a reaction to something that reminds you of the Witness world. Please hang in there and do your best, as we all must.
GLT