Posts by AwSnap

Im searching and searching, but not finding what I need. What scriptures do the jw's use to show that the Governing Body is put in the position to mediate between the rank and file and God Almighty? And what refutable points are there? All scriptures I've read recently show that Jesus was talking to EVERYONE who practiced faith in him. Do the jw's believe that all those people were part of the 144,000? How many people were even alive back then? I just can't understand how they can say there's only 144,000, especially when those scriptures that say 144,000 are followed by things like "they will be only virgins"... Sorry for the ramble. Hopefully, I can get some answers here. Thanks.

Going to Heaven

(1 Corinthians15:35-54) Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; 37 and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 41 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven. 48 As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one. 50 However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.”

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Jesus or Governing Body...Who's the Mediator?

by AwSnap in

what do you think the jw response would be if i asked if the faithful&discreet slave is considered to mediate for jw's?

would they admit that?...or would they say that jesus is?

from what i've seen here, they seem to acknowledge that the governing body/fds mediates.

AwSnap

So where does it say in the Bible that God chooses an organization to come between Jesus and YHWH? Doesnt it say something about an organizational head?

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

New World Translation:

(Matthew
8:11) But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens;

I was just told by my JW that she could see why I would think we'd be going to heaven from this scripture, but that the "kingdom in the heavens" relates to the fact that the earth will be a part of that kingdom.

Comments? We haven't had the whole discussion yet. This scripture was just mentioned today. Thanks.

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listening to an uncomfortable talk / demonstration.

by man in black in

jw
friends

i was thinking this afternoon about a sister who was married to a witness guy who worked pt, they had one 5 yr. old boy.

and a 1 yr. old girl.. one evening at the tms she was giving talk # 3, and halfway through the talk she stopped, looked a little flustered, and said "i can't do this anymore".

she proceeded to get off the stage, and walked out of the hall with her husband looking very red - faced while he was gathering up the kids.. shortly afterwards, she was df'ed and left her husband for another guy.. back then i was just mortified regarding what she said, ( along with most of the congregation) but now i understand her position.. another extreme demonstration was in the late 1980's.

AwSnap

When I was 16, I was given a part to do on how masturbation was wrong. To top it off, they assigned my best friend to be my householder. Like, for real...did they not see the laugh-fest coming??? It was always worse when we would practice and start cracking up during certain parts and then you got up on stage and remembered those times

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Need a Hug? Kiss? High-Five? Pat On the

by snowbird in

jw
friends

AwSnap

I could use a hug. ps...that heating pad really works. Its not cheap, but it works!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN8CKwdosjE&feature=player_embedded

I don't know why my video isnt posting. Hmph...

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Looks like we're about to get Smurf'd

by Yizuman in

http://www.imdb.com/rg/video_play/link//video/imdb/vi4122347033/.

yiz.

AwSnap

I'm really not one for causing a scene. But I promise this: I WILL wear Smurf-gear as soon as that movie is released next year. HEck....I'm going to start shopping on ebay now

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Looks like we're about to get Smurf'd

by Yizuman in

http://www.imdb.com/rg/video_play/link//video/imdb/vi4122347033/.

yiz.

AwSnap

I understand why you said that....it must be annoying to mods when people say stuff like that. But there have been a LOT of people who have their "moments".

How bout people just go with the fun of this thread, and then if the "deleting" get asked again, his wishes will be granted?

Onnnn with the

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.