Was just wondering how things might unfold if you suddenly moved to a nearby foreign language or liberal congregation?
Fernando
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DA'd then what to expect.
by Crazyguy inso the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
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Why do so many think JW Religion is a Cult? (NO APOSTATES PLEASE)
by Brother Mike inmy question is, why do so many think the watchtower bible tract society is a cult?
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Fernando
Brother Mike
If I claim to be a "publisher of the Good News"
and yet I am unfamiliar with the "Good News" according to Paul, Moses, Isaiah and Psalms
could it be because I have been deliberately and subtly led away from the "Good News"
by those whom I am following?
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Surrounded - Yet All Alone at the same Time
by offgrid5150 ini've been lurking for a while,but figured i'd introduce myself.
i was born in, and i'm 30 years old.
it's hard to just read as a guest, and not share with anyone eventually.
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Fernando
Welcome offgrid5150.
Our family of 4 was able to beat our addiction to the cult totally within 4 years by relentlessly pursuing the liberating, explicit and "unabridged gospel" message hidden in their own publications (most likely by Ray Franz and others like him).
Many here will cite patience and simple thought provoking questions as the way to go with your loved ones.
Dumping on them or telling them many facts is often the worst thing one can do.
Going on an exploratory journey as a family is the best.
As my wife says: "go the pace of the children".
In this case the adults are also children.
They have very limited capacity to explore the dark side of their idol and VISIBLE golden calf (in their lust driven state).
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Fallacies about Faith
by tec inpeace to you!.
this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.
this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.
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Fernando
Great topic: "Fallacies about Faith".
One of the worst offenders put out by religion in my view is:
faith = belief = religion
A simple question may help to expose the fallacy:
- Why is religion not one of the fruits of the spirit?
- Why is belief not one of the fruits of the spirit?
- Why does the Bible speak about "one faith"?
- Why does the words "faithS" not exist in the Bible?
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Just got off the phone with my dad!
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had this conversion with my dad earlier today, hes an elder...both my parents were laid off during the recession, however, they saved and lived a decent life.
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Fernando
How is applying pressure like this not soliciting?
Only in Watchtower land, where they supposedly have divine authority to change and twist the meaning of words.
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my life is a mess need some advice
by deservingone26 inso if you read thru my previous posts from years ago u can see a little background of my life.
to do a quick summary i was df'd at 19, got into the party lifestyle which included party drugs and lots of alcohol.
at 24 i decided to step bacdk and really try to get my life in order.
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Fernando
Since quitting religion in favour of faith and spirituality based on the "unabridged gospel" I no longer feel compelled to judge or change gays, but rather to love them just like Jesus does - as they are.
Moralism is apostasy - just like legalism.
You need to get free of moralism and the guilt it induces.
A good counsellor or Psychologist, possibly who is gay, and maybe also a non-religious believer, could be a great help.
Once you are in a better place you may want to read an alternate scriptural perspective on fulfilling same sex relationships:
http://biblehouseofgrace.com/same%20sex%20relationships.html
In the meantime please forget religion - go find yourself, go find happiness, go find love, go find commitment, go find healing, go find friends, go find a great supportive partner...
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I want to Believe in Something
by James Jackson inafter serving in an appointed position for over 26 years (21 elder, 5 ms,14 pioneer), i have no more dreams of paradise, bored at the meetings, do not enjoy the field ministry.
the desire to do anything is gone.
i want to believe in something!.
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Fernando
Personally I have come to conclude that religion was designed to suck the life out of us.
I have found faith, spirituality and the liberating gospel message to be the exact opposite. It is as if the lights have been switched on in my head.
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Be honest. Am I an abusive Father??
by DATA-DOG ini was angry with my kid for questioning me.
i work, i pay the bills, i provide food, clothing and shelter for them.
instead of respect, i get attitude.
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Fernando
Caught us all napping there DD, and Tammy must have had her early morning coffee, run and shower...
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Interview with an Apostate: Simon
by Simon ini had an idea for coming up with a standard(ish) set of interview questions which members of the ex-jw community could use to provide insights into their lives as a kind of series (yeah, i was thinking of "interview with a vampire", lol).. anyway, this is the result to show the sort of thing i'm thinking of (applied to myself) and i'd like feedback on the format and the questions as well as who you'd also like to see "interviewed".. feel free to provide your own life story as a separate topic or ask any additional questions that i've missed.
it's not meant to be rigid so questions / themes can be adapted as needed and split / joined as appropriate.
the common questions will hopefully apply to everyone for some consistency and to guide the writing process with additional questions asked that make sense to each subject.. well, here goes .... tell us a little about yourself and your family.. im an independent software developer who grew up in manchester (uk) but now lives in calgary (canada) with my wife angharad and two boys, liam and dylan.
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Fernando
Julia, the book 1984 and the movie "The Matrix" share powerful common themes I'm sure you'd at least enjoy reading about (red/blue pill).
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Simple life at bethel
by KSFernando intoday watchtower study encourage simple life for pionears.
i am live in a asian country.
the bethel provide luxury facilities for their bethel family.
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Fernando
In developed and developing countries, at least those I know of, the best building materials are used to build the best modern buildings and facilities to last many decades with free volunteer labour and generous donations.
The wealthy and educated are in a position to give more whilst believing they are giving to the "God of Abraham" whilst in-fact being duped by the "god of religion".