my husband is inactive, but still very much believes in the borg as having the truth.
i now have coc in spanish.
i am currently reading it, but i would love to know if anyone can point me to any specifics.
Welcome monis1.
Possibly you could ask your husband to explain "legalism" to you (from the Watchtower library).
The word appears only once in the entire wt library (2012).
The article (g79 6/8 pp. 27-28) is really great and reads like a summary of Ray Franz' book "In Search of Christian Freedom".
You could also ask: "Is legalism apostasy?" (Yes it is and the WBTS is guilty as sin).
so we all know about this new donation arrangement.?.
every cong is supposed to send in all their savings to the society for them to allocate or use however they see fit worldwide.. but here is where true "selfishness" has become apparent!
(remember just this last weekend the wt study was all about not being "selfish" or self willed??!!).
From ^^this^^ angle it really is becoming all about money.
following from a post by neverendingjourney.
we should come up with a new name for this arrangement.
feel free to post your ideas!.
We love the new TITHING arrangement.
When it becomes TITHING AND OFFERINGS we'll love it even more.
To avoid stumbling the weak in our midst maybe we can call it MONTHLY DUES for now?
We can get round to "encouraging" ten percent a bit later in the game...
And in time we can put out happyfying "nu lite" clarifying that it is ten percent of gross earnings.
We really are the "thinkingest" people in the universe.
Oh, and we must remember to tell the sheeple they are giving to (the) God (of religion).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yxineydnky&feature=player_detailpage.
Great video.
She's young and still growing in the faith.
Managed to get herself into a spot of bother with religious moralism.
Had to close down her YouTube accounts.
so any ways to deal or cope with elders who just don't like you (you didn't do anything wrong or they're just making stuff up about you) assuming that you can't leave?
especially when it comes to for example becoming appointed as an elder.
or are you pretty much "dead in the water" if the elders are determined to like you despite reasonable efforts to win them over.
The Pharisees have their identity and destiny.
You have yours.
And they are opposite.
Plus irreconcilable.
And irreformable.
So clarify and pursue your identity and let them pursue theirs.
Meaning go your separate ways in peace.
Our family decided to let the Phairsees embrace religion, whilst we embraced and pursued the liberating, healing, clarifying and full Good News instead.
this topic was posted yesterday on an italian fb page.
i replied that my personal experience was very positive.
of course i have to admit that my.
Hi and welcome roberto avon.
I'm delighted it worked out for you and your (uncharacteristically liberal) wife.
Horror of horrors, as an exJW I'm discovering that the deeply loathed and repeatedly criticised Catholic Church is far more liberal, progressive and tolerant than the Watchtower.
The RCC is also not nearly as hostile to the liberating and healing unabridged gospel of grace.
Many years ago, as a JW I was shocked to see how many pages were in the INDEX under the heading Catholic Church.
What an irony.
After all the RCC bashing the Watchtower turns out to be much, much worse.
(BTW I now identify as a "Spiritual But Not Religious" or SBNR person of faith).
the late christopher hitchens decribed the word islamophobia as "created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.. please take half an hour to read a fascinating conversation between sam harris and ayaan hirsi ali.. ayaan is an apostate from islam.
she fled to the netherlands in '92 to escape an arranged marriage and went on to become a member of the dutch government from 2003-2006.. ayaan is now a fellow with the future of diplomacy project at the belfer center for science and international affairs at the harvard kennedy school... she lives with round-the-clock security.. "some moderate muslims hate meand yes, thats a strong word, but i think what theyve said supports itbecause i make them feel uncomfortable.
the things i talk about put them in a state of dissonance that they cant live with.
Very informative, thanks for posting.
I share the disdain for religion and its rather obvious fruits.
(Googling "not all muslims are Islamists" produces almost 40,000 hits)
first it was the holy spirit that appointed elders, then they began abusing children, so then they had to say its the body of elders that appoint elders.
then they abuse even more children and now they are claiming its the co's fault.
who actually does appoint the elders and ministerial servants?
It's all man made.
The religion.
The VISIBLE organisation.
The rules.
The doctrines.
The titles.
The lables.
The positions.
The decisions.
The behaviour.
Sure I believe God does appoint people, but there is no announcement, no title, no fanfare, no hierarchy, no clergy class, no human selection/discussion/endorsement.
i'm just rereading crisis of conscience and was thinking if only there were others on the gb like him.
maybe things could change for the better.
for instance when he felt troubled that a woman couldn't get a divorce when her husband cheated on her with another man.. his response was this:-"the emotional upset i felt moved me to make a study of the original language terms (in greek) used in matthew, chapter nineteen, verse 9.".
I believe millions of current and former followers of the Watchtower have seen what Ray saw when letting the scriptures speak for themselves.
born in here and have been awake to ttatt for 3 months now and keeping it to myself is killing me.
i do not want to da as i have many close friends and family in.. .
i'm note sure how the wife will take it.
Many seem to agree from personal experience that dumping (too much too soon) is a definite no-no.
Similarly there seems to be consensus that patient and thoughtful questions work best.
This way the person has time to chew and digest, without having stuff rammed down their throat.
Our family found that private study and discussion of the liberating and healing unabridged gospel message (full Good News), in the wt library, and especially according to Paul, gradually helped us beat our addiction to Watchtower apostasy (legalism, moralism, doctrinal ethnocentrism, supremacist religious Gnosticism). It is the same thing that empowered many persons like Martin Luther, Ray Franz, and Nelson Mandela.
