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  Internet Dating - I feel like I am being love bombed again

  by KateWild in

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  i am on three or four sites and lots of guys are showing an interest and trying to be genuine.

  it reminds me of being love bombed by the jws.

  i am having so much fun and loving all the attention, i almost got carried away with it all, until i got a pm on jwn.. i have just been absorbing it all and it dawned on me i am still vulnerable, and possibly not ready to date.

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  Fernando

  I wonder if some well considered and unobtrusive questions could uncover a controlling nature?

  https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+to+spot+a+control+freak
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  Religion vs the gospel

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

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  Fernando

  Hey Laika

  Yes, I agree, as I'm sure many who attend more moderate churches with less authoritarian hierarchies, are permitted to, and actually do hear directly, frequently and distinctly from God.

  Sometimes even despite contradictions from those that presume to speak for God.

  However, due to our fallen state, giving prominence and authority to a central body or person is fraught with danger. This is where the arsenic often gets into the honey.

  It is no accident that so many (who should be soldiers or warriors for the gospel of grace) are lulled into spiritual passivity and mediocrity - in what some describe as the "greatest indoor spectator sport in the world"...

  It is religion's fault that in more than 40 years of door knocking, in Christian countries and communities, not a single person ever shared any part of the gospel, in any way, with me at their door. (Not that the gospel is exclusive to Christians).

  All it took in the end was a dead easy and ridiculously simple question: "Please Fernando, could you explain to us what is the gospel, in one word?" The rest as they say is history (including the Watchtower organisation's hold on our family).
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  Fernando

  Our family is finding that the liberating unabridged gospel message, hidden in plain sight throughout scripture, helps us to see a more unified picture of the human race, and to see the heart, rather than the external appearance which as Billy said can be carefully crafted window dressing, especially in the case of religious folk.
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  Religion vs the gospel

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

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  Fernando

  For our family religion is about middlemen, whereas the gospel is about dealing direct.
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  does the org monitor this site?

  by venting in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i,m sure they would like to find out the names of some who post here.

  venting..

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  Fernando

  Yeah, Phizzy, I do believe they get most of their Noo Lite (aka change of direction) from us dissenters, especially here on JWN.
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  I'm afraid I'd be single for life

  by ohnightdivine in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  this is quite embarrassing for me to share, but as a 30+ year old single female i have lingering doubts as to whether i can still meet a decent man and get married.. you all know how difficult it is for sisters to find an appropriate partner in the congregation.. and now, all the more so that i've learned ttatt.

  i still am bound by low self-esteem, and i do have trust issues, especially with men.

  i am very lonely and so i just keep myself busy with work to avoid depression (although it is also a great source of stress).. any other single females out there having similar thoughts?.

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  Fernando

  bigmac it sounds like you have enough adventures to write a book whilst you wait for your new lady's return.
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  Did Christ Put an End to Organised Religion

  by seekchristonly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  yes, he was that radical.

  im suggesting he put an end to organised religion with the prophesied destruction of jerusalem , the jewsish system, the old covenant and the temple in the 1st century..

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  Fernando

  Maybe organised religion co-opted and corrupted baptism and communion?
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  Did Christ Put an End to Organised Religion

  by seekchristonly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  yes, he was that radical.

  im suggesting he put an end to organised religion with the prophesied destruction of jerusalem , the jewsish system, the old covenant and the temple in the 1st century..

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  Fernando

  Anti-Semitic?

  Somehow I thought Jesus was born a Jew, loved ordinary and downtrodden Jews, and took exception to those that were leading them astray (through religious legalism and moralism).
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  Religion vs the gospel

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

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  Fernando

  From propaganda, manipulation, coercion, deception, control, and dysfunction.
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  Religion vs the gospel

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.

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  Fernando

  Most Christians are unfamiliar with the unabridged gospel.

  The same for most Jews who (should) know the gospel as "bissar".

  The same for most Muslims who (should) know the gospel as "injil"/"injeel".

  God has created the legal framework and precedents for our liberation.

  These are communicated through the comprehensive, unabridged and common gospel/bissar/injil/injeel message, hidden in plain sight throughout the common Judeo-Christian-Muslim scriptures.

  We are invited to accept on very generous terms, but religion, ignorance and busy-ness are powerful enemies.