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  I know this is never going to happen ....however , what if ...?

  by smiddy in

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  can you imagine what this world would be like today , with 7 billion people , if their were never , ever a religous concept in anybodys mind ?.

  wouldnt this world be such a better place to be in if it was devoid of all religion ?.

  if religion never existed from the time man/woman first walked the earth until now how do you see , pros or cons , how humakind would fare today.. as i said in my o.p.

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  Fernando

  I believe if we all had only ever been exposed to the liberating gospel, human society would have been very different and much better.
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  Who Really Profits from the WTBTS?

  by Freedom77 in

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  2. friends

  like they say in the movies, "follow the money.

  " the thought occurred to me the other day - the wt scam rakes in billions of dollars, and yeah some of that goes to operations and equipment.

  but bethelites at farm and factory get only a bare little dorm room and a monthly pittance.

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  Fernando

  For me the ultimate hidden player is the god of religion who is desperate to hide the liberating gospel message from us.
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  Does anyone live by any Bible stuff?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is not meant to be a slag off the bible thread.. i had a question asked me the other day and it was: 'do you live by anything from the bible?'.

  i had to think about that one because i was force grown in the filthy, disgusting cult of the paedophile loving watchtower(r).. you know what?

  i really don't know if i just naturally am a great bloke or if any 'nice' bits in the bible influenced me......or has western culture been influenced by the bible for good and bad?.

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  Fernando

  I have been greatly influenced and changed by focussing on the central message of scripture and the prophets, namely the relationship between two opposites - the liberating gospel, versus the bondage of religion.
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  What are the phases on a cult exit journey?

  by Fernando in

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  2. friends

  for reasons i am still trying to fully understand and explain i was not able to properly pinpoint, identify and name the phases of my cult exit journey as i was going through them.

  now i feel the need to even more.. some phases that came to mind this morning for me:.

  identity crisis (who am i, what do i believe).

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  Fernando

  Hey Dis-Member!

  I'm still trying to gain a better understanding of the process and phases.

  It has been 5 years since walking out for me.

  Maybe it took longer in my case since I was 3rd generation, and in for more than 4 decades, and was quite devout.
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  Instrucitons for using the toilet at the convention (pic)

  by maninthemiddle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this was posted in the men's room stall, i hear the instructions in the womens room was more detailed.. this was in addition to having a "bathroom attendant" handing out 1 paper towel per person.. i haven't felt so childish since i was in grade schooll, i had to wonder if all the tall people around me were really grown men and women.. .

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  Fernando

  Calebs Airplane has just outed himself as head honcho of the writing department.
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  Just got off the elevator with Anthony Morris

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the international convention here i just got off the elevator with anthony morris.

  he was heading to the basement and i was heading up to administration.

  i rode one floor down with him before i went up to my destination.

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  Fernando

  A bit of a conundrum if you despise the ʽam-ha·ʼa′rets (dumb sheeple) but need their praise and worship.
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  What are the phases on a cult exit journey?

  by Fernando in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for reasons i am still trying to fully understand and explain i was not able to properly pinpoint, identify and name the phases of my cult exit journey as i was going through them.

  now i feel the need to even more.. some phases that came to mind this morning for me:.

  identity crisis (who am i, what do i believe).

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  Fernando

  For reasons I am still trying to fully understand and explain I was not able to properly pinpoint, identify and name the phases of my cult exit journey as I was going through them. Now I feel the need to even more.

  Some phases that came to mind this morning for me:

  • identity crisis (who am I, what do I believe)

  • consolidation (merging of my thoughts as they became clearer)

  • integration (joining of the dots)

  • wholeness (a cohesive and complete picture emerges)

  What helped me most in getting through each phase was:

  • Psychologists with personal cult exit experience, psychotherapy, CBT, EMDRAA

  • workshops with ex-members of other cults

  • voracious and relentless reading/writing/speaking/meditating

  • socialising (both face-to-face and over the internet)

  Can you share and explain your perspectives, and list some of the phases you have experienced or read about, and maybe what helped you along the way?
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  Just got off the elevator with Anthony Morris

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the international convention here i just got off the elevator with anthony morris.

  he was heading to the basement and i was heading up to administration.

  i rode one floor down with him before i went up to my destination.

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  Fernando

  What led us to idolise the Pharisees and Sanhedrin?

  What were we thinking when we believed meeting one of these apostates was the closest any of us would ever get to God?
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  ?? Question for those that have successfully faded/are out:

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  question: can any of you that have successfully faded out of the jw world without being df'd or da'd relate to me/us how you were able to maintain at least one or a few of your "still in" friends or family?

  (and even if you were df'd or da'd and still maintained some relationships, how did that go?).

  obviously, the truly demented, sick and twisted (and highly effective) policies and structure of the wtbt$ to set up a system by which anyone that chooses to no longer believe or participate must be treated as "mentally diseased" and a pariah by their own friends and family is the hands down, numero uno reason why many hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of jw's do not leave.

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  Fernando

  We avoid speaking against their idols (GB & Org & FDS & hierarchy).

  We focus instead on "the truth" of "the good news" in their own publications.
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  Athiests: Do you ever wonder... what if?

  by toweragent in

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  2. friends

  i'll start by saying, i'm a ministerial servant who is trapped in the religion.

  my wife is hardcore...but i've slowly been getting her to lighten up, so i'll take it!

  all my friends and family are jw's, and i am employed by a jw (who is actually a great boss).

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  Fernando

  My journey started with a question I was asked: "what is the gospel in one word?"

  This led me from a RBNS (Religious But Not Spiritual) orientation to a SBNR (Spiritual But Not Religious) orientation.

  A radical transformation and awakening.

  Yes, there is still a lot of mystery and wonder.

  But for me, no other framework is as whole, comprehensive, unified, satisfying, validating and scientific.