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  Your "Things That Make You Go Hmmm?" List

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  i'll wager that the number is close to 100 percent.

  what number?

  the number of jws who have lists--lists of things that make them go hmmm or even wha'???

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  Fernando

  From oldest to most recent (all own personal observations - not influenced by outside sources):

  1. The generation teaching
  2. Un-theocratic elders
  3. Self-willed elders
  4. Elder fiefdoms
  5. Older but still very immature elders
  6. Cover-ups (rape, incest, fraud, slander - all in my own extended family)
  7. Blood doctrine (OK to use parts of donated blood, but not OK to donate)
  8. Irrational fear of df'd persons
  9. Incompetence of elders, especially in dealing with real problems
  10. Blatant translation errors to support wt dogma
  11. Ruling religious clergy class and hierarchy in the wt org, plus the creation, exploitation and oppression of a "laity class" of "dumb sheeple"
  12. Incongruence - CO: "if it is not in harmony with divine teaching it is teaching of demons" versus elderette: "it is better to be wrong with the society than right on your own" (meaning that it is better to eat at the table of demons with the society than at God's table on your own)
  13. Inconsistencies and errors especially between the usage/application and definition of key terms: prophet, prophecy, apostasy, the gospel, faith
  14. Confusing and conflating "belief" with "faith"
  15. Organised theft of spirituality and faith
  16. Spurious and unbiblical terms: faithS and gospelS
  17. Spiritual blindness, confusion, inebriation, and insanity of elders
  18. Literal 144,000
  19. Jesus is not our mediator
  20. Never once in the NT does the term "the anointed" refer to humans, but is always correctly translated as "ho Kristos" or "the Christ" even in the badly mangled NWT.
  21. FDS = human clergy class = the anointed = represented by GB (but GB actually ignores them)
  22. WBTS Organisation, GB (Sanhedrin) and Elders (Pharisees) as pseudo-mediators or VISIBLE golden calf
  23. Wt "two hopes" versus Bible's "one hope" (spurious and unbiblical two class system of believers)
  24. The opposite trajectories of the gospel in print in the wt library, and the gospel as actually taught and believed as reflected by what is actually in the hearts and on the lips of wt followers
  25. The opposite trajectories of "religion" and the "gospel"
  26. Elder's ignorance of, fear of, and contempt for, the liberating gospel of grace - the tipping point and last straw (especially the denial of "imputed righteousness" and "imputed holiness")
  27. Wt revisionist cover-up of previous teaching that all religion is a snare and a racket
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  inactive ones going back...

  by monis1 in

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  i have quite a big group of friends who were all in the cong together when we were teens.

  about 75% of them stopped going or were df'd right after high school.

  it is a varied group; a couple are staunch apostates, some dont care one way or another, and another handfull are fully "worldly", but still believe it is the truth.

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  Fernando

  Totally cured and innoculated against my former addiction to the Supremacist Apostate Doomsday Cult and its inane apostate ruling religious clergy class...
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  Has anybody meet anyone on here who they knew as a JW. Experiences please

  by joe134cd in

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  2. bible

  i'm just curious but has anybody meet some one on jehovahwitness-net who they knew in their jw lives.

  just want to hear experiences.

  please include the indicators that led up to you identifying each other, and how you eventually revealed yourself.

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  Fernando

  Only one, because this person does not post anonymously.

  I'm sure there are more, but will likely only find out if and when I post with my photo, name, and/or congregation list (or if they do the same).

  This is of course a great time to thank the many persons who like Paul Grundy model a way in which we can be totally open despite the consequences. Now if we all did that...
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  Do you think that the Jehovahs Witness religion would be better /worse if their were an equal number of male/female on the G.B.?

  by smiddy in

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  of course this is a hypothetical question , it will never happen .?

  but what if it did , what do you think the society would be like if it did happen .?.

  let your imaginations run wild .

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  Fernando

  Personally I believe women should not allow themselves to be compromised and denigrated by becoming part of the apostate ruling religious clergy class and hierarchy.
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  The Watchtower 11/15/2014

  by wifibandit in

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  2. bible

  http://bayfiles.net/file/1jpu5/qhxxxl/w_e20141115.pdf.

  select "premium download".

  (thanks breakfast of champions).

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  Fernando

  I was happy to finally understand the Watchtower Organisation "simply" as a "Scaremongering Apostate Supremacist Doomsday Cult" but have just been stunned speechless by the JWFacts table on the 1260 days lunacy...

  Thank you all the same Paul for your generous efforts, and sacrifices, on behalf of all ex, and all would-be, followers of the corrupt but exceedingly lame and irrelevant Watchtower.

  The GB it seems to me are dealing with their fear of irrelevance and exposure by promoting a fear-based siege mentality in their followers too.

  Would it be too much to hope that "the end is near" for the Watchtower, and that liberation or "the beginning is near" for its followers?
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  Some good books to read?

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  2. beliefs

  i just finished crysis of a conscience and all i have to say is wow!

  showed how they sadly look for doctrine changes to fit their agenda vs what the bible says.

  any new light or changes i'll be wondering the real motive behind them.

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  Fernando

  From a Spiritual But Not Religious (SBNR) perspective I've enjoyed and benefitted from:

  "What is the gospel?" by Greg Gilbert

  "The Explicit gospel" by Matt Chandler

  "The King Jesus gospel" by Scot McKnight

  "The Lost Message of Jesus" by Steve Chalke

  "The Mystery of Christ" (and why we don't get it) by Robert Farrar Capon

  "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola and George Barna

  "Christless Christianity" by Michael Horton

  "Pharisectomy" by Peter Haas (on "How to Joyfully Remove Your Inner Pharisee and Other Religiously Transmitted Diseases")

  "Christianity is Not Religion" by James Fowler

  "Soul Rape" by Shean Smith
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  pros and cons of anti depessants?

  by Crazyguy in

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  obviously i'm having ex cult issues, family still in and a wife that's all kokoo for cocopuffs as well as our marriage isn't good.

  i would like to leave her, she has never been the kind of wife i wanted.

  anyway the stress is getting to be to much, thinking about things all the time and its effecting my work as well as otherthings.

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  Fernando

  Hey Band on the Run!

  I guess the website makes it seem as if he is still around. That's what I love about the internet. Great ideas can live on past the individual until people and societies are more ready for them. So those of us who feel we have got good ideas we want to leave behind better get a move on before our time on this planet is up.

  According to Wikipedia Thomas Szasz died September 8, 2012 (aged 92).
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  Poll--How Many Believe In God, Do Not Believe or Are Not Sure Of His Existence?

  by minimus in

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  i believe in god but i'm not sure of anything....what about you?.

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  Fernando

  I believe in Science, God, God's word or message (the liberating gospel of grace and peace), faith, spirituality and humanity.

  I do not believe in the god of religion, although I do believe in his existence, his bad influence, and his great fear of the gospel/faith/spirituality/humanity/science/God.

  Whilst I am sure of the expansive and comprehensive gospel and God's existence, there is still a lot left to learn and understand, but much of this will have to wait until the next life which I believe is eternal.
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  "We're calling on your neighbours to promote a website"

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow, it's true - they don't call to 'promote god's kingdom' anymore but just their website!.

  we just had an old lady call and tell us that was exactly what they were doing and it has "lots of good things on their for children".

  yeah, right ... sparlock?.

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  Fernando

  JWs - Knock, knock.

  HH - Good day, would you like to learn how to use your own website?

  JWs - enter and sit down

  HH - Let's go to wol.jw.org and count how many times your Bible uses the phrase "Good News" and how many of these are by Paul.

  JWs - The phrase "Good News" appears 152 times in our Bible. 85 of these are by Paul.

  HH - Why then is the "Good News" according to Paul not in your hearts or on your lips?

  JWs - We are only the drones, and will need to go find one of our Sanhedrin's Pharisees to answer your question.

  HH - The Pharisees hate the "Good News" according to Paul. I invite you instead to make a personal study of the "Good News" according to Paul, and return to me when it is in your hearts and on your lips.
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  pros and cons of anti depessants?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  obviously i'm having ex cult issues, family still in and a wife that's all kokoo for cocopuffs as well as our marriage isn't good.

  i would like to leave her, she has never been the kind of wife i wanted.

  anyway the stress is getting to be to much, thinking about things all the time and its effecting my work as well as otherthings.

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  Fernando

  cchr.org is considered by some to be a front for Scientology.

  From http://www.szasz.com/enemies.html :

  The following statement is intended as response to requests for clarification regarding Dr. Szasz's co-founding of the Citizens Commission for Human Rights (CCHR). Thomas Szasz is not now nor has he ever been a Scientologist or a member of the Church of Scientology.

  Dr. Szasz co-founded CCHR in the same spirit as he had co-founded -- with sociologist Erving Goffman and law professor George Alexander -- The American Association for the Abolition for Involuntary Mental Hospitalization (AAAIMH; see http://www.szasz.com/abolitionist.html)

  Scientologists have joined Szasz's battle against institutional psychiatry. Dr. Szasz welcomes the support of Jews, Christians, Muslims, and any other religious or atheist group committed to the struggle against the Therapeutic State. Sharing this battle does not mean that Dr. Szasz supports the unrelated principles and causes of any religious or non-religious organization. This is explicit and implicit in Dr. Szasz's work. Everyone and anyone is welcome to join in the struggle for individual liberty and personal responsibility -- especially as these values are threatened by psychiatric ideas and interventions.

  Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.
  Owner and producer of www.szasz.com
  [email protected]
  February 11, 2003