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  Factions, or flip-flops, or both?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do the individual article writers have persistently opposing views, or do they each just flip-flop between opposing views?.

  what have you observed?.

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  Fernando

  Do the individual article writers have persistently opposing views, or do they each just flip-flop between opposing views?
  

  What have you observed?
  
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  Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

  by roberto avon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

  ?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

  after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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  Fernando

  A great little irony for me now is the realisation that Armageddon just might be the spiritual battle between good and evil, in which case evil has won out in the Watchtower and their destruction is now a mere formality.
  
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  Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

  by roberto avon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

  ?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

  after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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  Fernando

  As a 3rd generation born-in I mostly accepted the "reality" presented to me.

  Doubts on birthdays, the generation, the anointed, and (spiritually) infantile "elders" were suppressed or rationalised.

  Then one day the gospel was brought to my attention.

  The more I pursued the gospel in their own publications the more I realised they don't in reality believe or teach it.

  The clincher was the vitriolic contempt of the Pharisees ("elders") for the gospel in their own publications.
  
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  Who Will Be The Next Member Of The Governing Body To Defect From The Corporation?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while it may seem unlikely which of the currant governing body members do you feel would be most likely to defect?

  i know it is a loaded question.. what about wealthy anthony morris iii?

  or mark sanderson or geoffrey jackson?

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  Fernando

  None of them strike me as having sufficient conscience, integrity, courage, ethics, honesty, or intelligence.

  They just don't make them like Ray anymore.

  Then again I haven't the stomach to look hard enough at the apostate Pharisees in the Sanhedrin to seek out the tiniest of redeeming features.
  
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  Autotune the Governing Body

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. social
  2. humour

  which would be the best talks to autotune?.

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  Fernando

  Can't wait for the video... One imagines it could be hilarious...
  
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  Stop WT society information control by giving access to REAL information

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  of course we all know that many ex-jw's are doing this online constantly and that's a good thing.

  whether by you tubes, websites, blogs, etc.

  the worldwide community of ex-jw's has been and will continue to be proactive in putting out real information to counteract and offset the lies and fantasy propaganda put out by the wt society.

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  Fernando

  It can't be an accident that it takes around 140 years of door-knocking, per publisher, at 10 hours per month, to generate one new external baptism. (Depending on year, assumptions and calculation used).
  

  The word has gotten out, and most know to avoid the WBTS like the plague.
  
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  What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

  the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

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  Fernando

  As we know they trot out the usual 1914/1918/Kingdom/Jehovah bunkum which can't withstand much scrutiny or questioning at all.
  

  We on the other hand have tons of information to disprove their arrogant claims.

  Just one small example: "If CTR died in 1916, how come he did not know that Jesus started ruling in 1914?"

  And most inconveniently there is JWfacts.com, and Ray Franz' books, parts of which can be read in the WBTS publications.
  
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  What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

  the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

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  Fernando

  On page 5569 (Laodicean Messenger 1923) it is made clear that CTR was the only FDS for all time:

  "Would it not, then, be well for us all to adjust our minds to the thought that God never intended that there should be but one servant, who at any time would be made “ruler over all His goods”; furthermore, that Charles Taze Russell filled this office from first to last; having no predecessor, and it is quite certain that no successor was intended."
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  What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

  the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

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  Fernando

  JW: Because they say so.
  

  RC: What about the Pope and college of Cardinals?

  JW: They're lying... Our clericalism and magisterium is from God himself.
  
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  I Haven't Missed a Meeting in Years!

  by Oubliette in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i recently ran into a jw i knew from a few years back.you know how it goes, a few pleasantries that always seem much more awkward than they really should (not for me, mind you--for him).and then the question, "so what congregation are you attending?

  are you able to make the meetings?

  "i'm thinking: do you always start conversations this way?so anyways, knowing full well the jw-mindset, i decided to have a bit of fun.furrowing my brow, i said, "that's an odd question!

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  Fernando

  I haven't missed a single meeting in almost 6 years!

  It seems the further away from the Watchtower we all get, the smarter we all get.
  

  Or maybe it's JWC's fault.