I believe millions of current and former followers of the Watchtower have seen what Ray saw when letting the scriptures speak for themselves.
Fernando
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If only there were another GB member like Ray Franz
by tornapart ini'm just rereading crisis of conscience and was thinking if only there were others on the gb like him.
maybe things could change for the better.
for instance when he felt troubled that a woman couldn't get a divorce when her husband cheated on her with another man.. his response was this:-"the emotional upset i felt moved me to make a study of the original language terms (in greek) used in matthew, chapter nineteen, verse 9.".
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How to tell the wife?
by jimbojones inborn in here and have been awake to ttatt for 3 months now and keeping it to myself is killing me.
i do not want to da as i have many close friends and family in.. .
i'm note sure how the wife will take it.
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Fernando
Many seem to agree from personal experience that dumping (too much too soon) is a definite no-no.
Similarly there seems to be consensus that patient and thoughtful questions work best.
This way the person has time to chew and digest, without having stuff rammed down their throat.
Our family found that private study and discussion of the liberating and healing unabridged gospel message (full Good News), in the wt library, and especially according to Paul, gradually helped us beat our addiction to Watchtower apostasy (legalism, moralism, doctrinal ethnocentrism, supremacist religious Gnosticism). It is the same thing that empowered many persons like Martin Luther, Ray Franz, and Nelson Mandela.
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Million Now Living Will Never Die! - Rutherford could still be right
by Zoos inrutherford began the millions campaign in 1918. new light suggests that he was obviously talking about babies who were born that year and now, in 2014 they would only be 96 years old.. .
i was looking through a census bureau report on people aged 90+ in the united states 2006-2008, with projections to the year 2050. according to the chart provided there are about 2 million people just in the united states that are over 90 years old.
we could conservatively cut that number in half to reach the 96 year-olds and then add in the rest of the world's figures.. .
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Fernando
Millions now living might agree with Joe that prohibition (under the Eighteenth Amendment) is the Devil's way of preventing us from hearing what the spirits have to say...
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New Article: Jehovah's Witnesses and Chosen Ignorance
by daringhart13 inwould love your feedback.
thanks gang!.
http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-chosen-path-of-ignorance .
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Fernando
It is very hard to comprehend and explain JWs addiction to ignorance and intransigence.
You've made it much easier with this great article.
Maybe we should be asking JWs we meet: "(why) do you choose ignorance?"
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CO is chasing me . Meeting him tomorrow.
by Ancientofdays inthis week is the "special week", co is back.. he phone called me this morning asking to meet together.. i replied "i don't refuse people who want talking to me, but my condition is that you must be alone, and we meet in public space.".
he agreed and we will meet tomorrow in a cafe.. .
this week he already met with my wife in the kh, and he told her "i believe your housband is apostate !!
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Fernando
What about asking him if "legalism" is apostasy?
If he gives a half baked explanation, maybe ask him to define "legalism"?
*** g79 6/8 p. 28 Why the Emphasis on Christian Freedom? ***
...legalism... constitutes a denial of Christian faith*** g79 6/8 pp. 27-28 Why the Emphasis on Christian Freedom? ***
Failing to appreciate this vital truth, certain Christianized Jews in the first century C.E. insisted that salvation could not be gained apart from the Law. Believing that acceptable moral conduct depended on strict adherence to the Law, they wanted to impose it on believing non-Jews. (Acts 15:2, 5) Such Christianized Jews lost sight of the fact that the Law in itself could not ensure fine conduct and that God’s spirit operating on those who exercised faith in Christ is a far stronger force for righteousness. (Gal. 5:16-18) The spirit of God produces love within the individual, and “love does not work evil to one’s neighbor.”—Rom. 13:10.
Persons who insisted on Law observance denied the value of all-essential faith and continued to look to works as the means for making themselves righteous. Their legalistic approach in matters of worship would have brought Christians back under an arrangement that only exposed individuals as being sinners and deserving of death.—Rom. 3:20; 6:23.
Hence, insistence on Law observance as a means for gaining salvation was really a returning to a slavery from which Christians had been set free on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice.
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Surprising how WBTS became EXACTLY what Russell was against.
by Fernando in*** jv chap.
15 p. 205 development of the organization structure ***.
however, brother russell emphasized that they were not attempting to set up an earthly organization.
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Fernando
Too true designs.
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Surprising how WBTS became EXACTLY what Russell was against.
by Fernando in*** jv chap.
15 p. 205 development of the organization structure ***.
however, brother russell emphasized that they were not attempting to set up an earthly organization.
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*** jv chap. 15 p. 205 Development of the Organization Structure ***
However, Brother Russell emphasized that they were not attempting to set up an “earthly organization.” Rather, he said, “we adhere only to that heavenly organization—‘whose names are written in heaven.’ (Heb. 12:23; Luke 10:20.)” Because of Christendom’s sordid history, reference to “church organization” usually reminded a person of sectarianism, clergy domination, and membership on the basis of adhering to a creed formulated by a religious council. So, when referring to themselves, Brother Russell felt that the term “association” was a better one. -
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"They've made us debt FREE !!!"
by gingerbread inso proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???
only jehovah's organization!
isn't this wonderful !!!".
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Fernando
Like Xanthippe said, to avoid negative thoughts, think stupid ones instead. Much better for the longevity of the cult.
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5 years inactive and still sometimes I'm haunted.
by ctrwtf ini've lately been thinking about the pernicious nature of the belief by the jw's that they are the one and only true religion.
how this belief allows for an egotistical world view and allows them to shun and denegrate those that do not share their opinions.. please pardon my round about thinking process as i've been mulling this rant for some time.
while my father's side of the family has been entrenched with the jw's for two generations before him, my mother was a new convert.
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Fernando
Isn't it weird how we were able to rationalize and dismiss generations and decades of family dysfunction, toxicity and destructiveness when we were still in the cult?
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I had a funny feeling he was a Witness... and now I need help.
by noontide inim in a bit of a bind and im not quite sure what (if anything) i can do about it.
i was recently hired as a business consultant for a rather large company.
the company that hired me mentioned that they are concerned about a certain department and the way its being run, as this department affects every other department in the company.
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Fernando
Good advice all round I believe.
What about asking him if he could do anything he liked in life what would it be.
That is what he should be doing instead, and where he is likely to fit in better.
A good psychologist could help him uncover and reassess his worldview to provide him with any clarity he seems to be lacking.
In CBT (in psychology) our behaviour and beliefs have to align or we will experience Cognitive Dissonance.
