Posts by Fernando

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Christians: Question about, "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you..."

by Zoos in

Fernando

Great question.

What The Searcher said - spot on I believe.

Lead how?

As genuine servant leaders.
No clericalism.
No hierarchy.
No VISIBLE organisation
No coercion
No abuse
Not controlling
Not authoritarian
Not self-centred
Not self-willed

Who lead?

Spiritually mature persons.
Who have been granted the free gift of faith.
Who obey the liberating gospel of grace.
Not legalists
Not moralists
Not religionists
Not materialists
No labels
No titles
No human appointment

Lead where?

To Jesus via the map (5 solas)
Not to "Christless Christianity"
Not to human middlemen (mediators)
Not to self-righteousness via works-righteousness

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What exactly do the Governing body(TM) do?

by punkofnice in

a genuine question really.. do they actually make desicions or are they simple sock puppets for the lawyers?.

are they just a front (like the queen is in the uk), with little or no desicion making input?.

do they just give talks and make appearances?.

"The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the great papal system, and thereby the gospel, the one faith that Paul and the other apostles set forth, was lost - buried under the mass of uninspired decrees of popes and councils. The unity of the early church, based upon the simple gospel and bound only by love, gave place to the bondage of the church of Rome ... Each new reform movement (like Protestantism) has made the failure of attempting to make a creed just large enough for its prime movers ." --WT, Sep. 1893, p. 1572

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What exactly do the Governing body(TM) do?

by punkofnice in

a genuine question really.. do they actually make desicions or are they simple sock puppets for the lawyers?.

are they just a front (like the queen is in the uk), with little or no desicion making input?.

do they just give talks and make appearances?.

Fernando

The GB quite simply advance apostate clericalism.

Along with its apostate cronies legalism, moralism, supremacist ethnocentrism, and religious Gnosticism.

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Can you help with a definition for Evolution?

by Fernando in

i'm trying to pin down a definition for evolution, hopefully in plain english, and some questions have come to mind:.

is this a fool's errand?.

has evolution itself evolved?.

Fernando

Thank you too Phizzy, and I look forward to learning more and understanding better.

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The Art of Hypocrisy - How Jehovah's Witnesses worship a symbol

by BluePill2 in

jw
friends

it has been a while since i've seen a witness, either in person or virtually.

searching for someone on facebook took me to the profile of a ministerial servant that i know.

i scrolled through his wall to see who is still around and found this gem:.

Fernando

The Art of Propaganda, at which the WBTS excels, comes to mind for me:

*** w56 6/15 p. 360 Getting and Giving the Thoughts of God ***
We usually believe what we want to believe, and one thing we like to believe is that we do our own thinking. Hence it is not too hard for clever propagandists to make us think their thoughts are ours. They plant the thought and nourish it, but do it so subtly that we think it is our own.

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An Invitation to ex JW`s in Australia to pm me ,especially in the Melbourne or Brisbane areas but not excluding other aussies from other areas .

by smiddy in

jw
friends

my wife and i were witnesses in the melbourne area from 1960-70 covering 5 congregations before moving to an area just north of brisbane for the best part of another23 years which involved another 5 congregations .. maybe our paths crossed or your parents and our paths crossed or people you know crossed our paths .. if you are inclined , i would love to hear from you via pm for privacy , or if you prefer here.. smiddy.

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Fernando

Hey smiddy, I'm in South East Queensland, and would be happy to meet up for a coffee sometime, and/or exchange PMs.

Greetings Fernando

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Leaving the JWs, experiencing Christianity and finding freedom! (But it took awhile)

by im_free in

this is my first post here.. i was raised in "the truth", and am an ex-bethelite who worked in brooklyn for several years back in the 90's.

a few years after i left bethel, i started to become disillusioned after doing research about the society and reading crisis of conscience (i know..i wasn't supposed to do that lol).

i eventually stopped attending meetings and going out in service.

Fernando

Welcome im_free!

My wife and I have come to exactly the same conclusions from "independently" pursuing the unabridged gospel (especially according to Paul, and especially in Romans).

Greetings and blessings

Fernando

SEQ, Australia

(Our family left the WBTS and religion for good mid-2009, after 4 decades and 4 generations)

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Come on, it is so simple people - Russell used Imperial measurements, but what did the Egyptians use?

by berrygerry in

okay, russell based his measurements of the pyramid chambers using inches to determine 1914.. however, what if we used egyptian measurements?.

duh!.

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Fernando

Now where have we seen something like this before (WMF's Wiki link above)?

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October 2nd, 2014: The World Ends Tomorrow, Taking all Bets!

by Oubliette in

on october 2, 1914, charles taze russell, founder of the watchtower, announced that the gentile times have ended!.

tomorrow will be exactly 100 years since his historic announcment.. to commemorate this centennial occasion, i will gladly take bets in any amount of money that the world will not end tomorrow and that on friday, october 3rd, 2014 gmt, we will still all be here, for better or worse.. any die-hard jws interested in taking the other side of this friendly little wager?

still hoping the big "a" is coming tomorrow and your loving god, jehovah, is going to commit mass genocide and execute 99.9% of earth's population because they don't follow the dictates the 7 members of the "faithful and discreet slave," aka, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses?.

Fernando

exJW - What are the odds today?

JW - There aren't any.

exJW - But surely you have a new date?

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Jewish Exodus from Egypt - Documatary - 20 Jun 2013

by Da.Furious in

i have received a link from a friend of mine, he is a baptist pastor.. link address is here.. the article title is: if you dont think the jewish exodus from egypt was real, then watch this video and think again.

the important or interesting thing in this youtube video is that it has some evidence, as the researcher claims, that the exodus happened and the red sea split into two in addition to evidence of egyptian army died at the location.. the documentary is 1 hour 24 minutes long.. .

apologies if this was posted previously but i ran a search and couldnt identify similar one.. as some of you know i am a born-in active jw with a mind of his own!.

Fernando

Thank you for sharing.

This was of considerable of interest to lay archaeologist "Ron Wyatt".