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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Fernando

  "What is the alternative to JW?"

  As a believer I find the answer "simple".

  All religion is indeed a snare and a racket as the Watchtower taught up to 1950.

  Then they too became a religion.

  The alternative and antithesis to (any and all) religion is the liberating gospel of grace (aka the "good news").

  According to this message a right and clean standing with God is imputed and not earned, not deserved, nor paid for.

  To check this for oneself one can search for and mark every occurrence of the words righteous and righteousness by Paul in the Bible.
  
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  Are gays really condemned in the Bible?

  by jws in

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  so i was having this argument with a friend about the westboro baptist idiots.

  my point is that while they are horrible people, they are pretty much right in that the bible is against gays because it has verses in both the old and the new testament.

  which is one of many reasons to reject the bible as merely man-made rules from ancient middle-easterners.. and she argued that there are problems in translation, etc.

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  And then there is the choice:

  being led by the letter or the spirit...

  "for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life" (2 Cor 3:6, NIV)

  And for an alternative perspective:

  http://biblehouseofgrace.com/same%20sex%20relationships.html
  
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  Beard's Coming to the Borg!

  by DwainBowman in

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  wt sept study edition, page 17, paragraph 17!

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  Fernando

  LOL EoM.
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Are there any other resources or persons that stand out for you?
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Her video (13 minutes):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KicaWSXH2II
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Her book: "Sq21 : The Twenty-One Skills of Spiritual Intelligence"

  
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Each of the 21 skills are assessed at 5 different levels.

  For example:

  
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Cindy Wigglesworth has compiled the "CPI Model of 21 Spiritual Intelligence (SQ) Skills"
  
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  For a while I have personally begun to see spiritual principles as universal.

  And that there are a number of approaches that yield these principles.

  In my experience religion (of all stripes) is hostile to authentic human spirituality since it cannot be patented, sold, bought or controlled (by the ruling religious clergy class). Religiosity is substituted in its place, with the clergy then conflating religiosity with spirituality (we haven't stolen your spirituality...).
  

  Buddhism for example it seems is generally not regarded or conducted as a religion, and is relatively open and inclusive.
  

  Much like so called "Christianity" was supposed to have been, save for the relentless efforts of the clergy.

  I have heard horror stories emanating from some extreme "Buddhist" groups though. A friend was regarded and treated as having joined Satan after leaving a particularly controlling "Buddhist" group.
  
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  Open discussion on "Spiritual Intelligence"

  by Fernando in

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  it was a surprise to learn that there are quite a number of si books, and si tests, out there.. what are your thoughts on si?.

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  Fernando

  Thank you all folks for contributing to the conversation.

  @Xanthippe. Thank you. I wanted to leave plenty of room for all flavours of the rainbow...