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  The elusive Brother Some.

  by Norm in

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  the elusive brother some and the watchtower society.. in brooklyn , they have for years been bothered by a shady and very mystical brother.

  they usually call him some.

  we receive constant reassurances from the watchtower that what is printed in the literature is the truth.

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  Poor Fred--there is none so blind as those who will not see. How do you see but not see, Fred?

  --JAVA

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  Like a moth to a flame

  by Esmeralda in

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  hi everyone.... what is it about this place?

  what is it that keeps drawing me back when i have.

  all these plans to try to just leave the jw issues alone, behind me and think.

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  Essie,

  I think many former JWs on this and other forums ask the same question you bring to the group, but not as elegantly as you. My god Essie, you do have a way with words.

  Forums like this help exiting members to not feel alone. We can relate to folks who have been there, and done that. However, your comments go beyond this stage and into the pea soup stage (I just made that one up). Perhaps we all get something different out of coming back while moving on; I don't know.

  Do ex-Witnesses have a difficult time making genuine friends in the real world, and as a result, gravitage to places like this? Do ex-Witnesses feel a kinship with the group, and need to touch base like blood relatives? Can other people understand the mind set we used to have, and how it influenced our lives? Perhaps these are some of the reasons that bring us together years after the scene of the crime.

  Hopefully, our journey to places like this forum is more of a loose-knit support group and/or a place to let our hair down with folks who understand. A moth gives its life in search of light; hopefully we've found a life after leaving the Tower, and this place understands the celebration.

  --JAVA

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  Oh. So You're A Seventy-Fiver Then, Are You?

  by Englishman in

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  does anyone take any responsibility for what happened in 1975?

  maybe i should say what didn't happen in 1975!.

  i mentioned 1975 to my still devout but not so fundamental jw mum.

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  I attended a District Assembly in Cinn. Ohio in '72 or '73. One of the speakers said, "Anyone entering a 4-year college today will not graduate in this system of things."

  Maybe Armageddon really happened in 1975, but like the 1914 visit from Jesus, it was invisible. Only those with -20/-20 vision can see it. Yes, it's very clear now; I see the light.

  --JAVA

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  Religious freedom in peril?

  by Kent in

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  religious freedom in peril?

  european actions alarming, experts tell senate panel.

  by lee davidson.

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  JAVA

  He complained, for example, that Belgium had a list of "dangerous cults" that "would shock Americans." He noted that some included on it are the LDS Church, the Amish, Seventh-Day Adventists, the Assemblies of God, other Pentecostal churches and Jehovah's Witnesses.

  I agree with Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore (well, sort of) because I'm shocked more religions are not on the list!

  --JAVA

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  Ordained in 2 Days!!!

  by JAVA in

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  since i know how much you want to help others, you're going to receive your minister certification for under $100.00... not even $50.00... you are going to receive the entire life-changing course for only $29.95.

  send only $29.95 us.

  (credit card, cash, check, or money order).

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  Hi Mommie Dark,
  

  Java, are you considering becoming a minister? It's fast, it's cheap, and the certificates look really neat framed. What a conversation starter...

  
  It's a great idea, but I'm not sure I would hang the certificate next to my degrees from accredited colleges. Also, I could print a "LEGALLY ORDAINED MINISTER" certificate from my computer for a few pennies. But you're right, I'm sure it would be a great "conversation starter."

  I still have a license from the state of Ohio to perform marriages from my elder days. I could hang that baby on the wall for a conversation starter! Thanks for the tip, MD.

  --JAVA

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  Ordained in 2 Days!!!

  by JAVA in

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  since i know how much you want to help others, you're going to receive your minister certification for under $100.00... not even $50.00... you are going to receive the entire life-changing course for only $29.95.

  send only $29.95 us.

  (credit card, cash, check, or money order).

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  JAVA

  I received the following spam, and thought some on the forum might enjoy the read. In many ways it's more honest than the deal offered by the Tower:

  "Minister Charles Simpson has the power to make you a LEGALLY ORDAINED MINISTER within 48 hours!!!!
  
  BE ORDAINED NOW!
  
  As a minister, you will be authorized to perform the rites and ceremonies of the church!!
  
  WEDDINGS
  MARRY your BROTHER, SISTER, or your BEST FRIEND!!
  Don't settle for being the BEST MAN OR BRIDES' MAID
  Most states require that you register your certificate (THAT WE SEND YOU) with the state prior to conducting the ceremony.
  
  FUNERALS
  A very hard time for you and your family
  Don't settle for a minister you don't know!!
  Most states require that you register your certificate (THAT WE SEND YOU) with the state prior to conducting the ceremony.
  
  BAPTISMS
  You can say "WELCOME TO THE WORLD!!!! I AM YOUR MINISTER AND YOUR UNCLE!!"
  What a special way to welcome a child of God.
  
  FORGIVENESS OF SINS
  The Catholic Church has practiced the forgiveness of sins for centuries
  **Forgiveness of Sins is granted to all who ask in sincerity and willingness to change for the better!!
  
  VISIT CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES
  Since you will be a Certified Minister, you can visit others in need!!
  Preach the Word of God to those who have strayed from the flock
  
  WANT TO START YOUR OWN CHURCH??
  After your LEGAL ORDINATION, you may start your own congregation!!
  
  
  At this point you must be wondering how much the Certificate costs. Right? Well, let's talk about how much the program is worth. Considering the value of becoming a CERTIFIED MINISTER I'd say the program is easily worth $100. Wouldn't you agree? However, it won't cost that much. Not even close! My goal is to make this life changing program affordable so average folks can benefit from the power of it.
  
  Since I know how much you want to help others, you're going to receive your Minister Certification for under $100.00... Not even $50.00... You are going to receive the entire life-changing course for only $29.95.
  
  For only $29.95 you will receive:
  1. 8-inch by 10-inch certificate IN COLOR, WITH GOLD SEAL.
  (CERTIFICATE IS PROFESSIONALLY PRINTED BY AN INK PRESS)
  2. Proof of Minister Certification in YOUR NAME!!
  3. SHIPPING IS FREE!!!
  
  
  ***********************************************************************
  
  LIMITED TIME OFFER: ORDER TODAY!
  SEND Only $29.95 US
  (CREDIT CARD, CASH, CHECK, OR MONEY ORDER)
  SHIPPING IS FREE!!! For Shipping OUTSIDE the US please add $11.00.
  
  To place your order merely fill out the following form and fax to 1-775-667-5709. If this line is busy, please try faxing to 1-413-669-7364.
  
  or mail to:
  
  Internet Information Services
  PO Box 21442
  Billings, MT 59104
  
  
  (ALL ORDERS FILLED WITHIN 24 HOURS OF RECEIVING THEM)
  *Please allow 8 days to receive your certificate by mail.
  If you do not receive your order within 10 days, please send us a fax letting us know of the late arrival. We will then contact you to figure out why you have not received your order.
  
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  Credit Card Order Form
  (Please print very clearly in dark ink)
  
  Name on Credit Card:
  
  Address:
  
  City/State/ZIP:
  
  Your email address:
  
  Your card will be charged $29.95 for your Ministers' Certificate.
  For Shipping OUTSIDE the US please add $11.00.
  
  Type of Card, circle one (Visa, MasterCard, American Express)
  
  Credit Card Number:
  
  Date Credit Card Expires:
  
  Please tell us your phone Number:
  
  Please tell us your fax Number:
  
  
  To order by Check or Money Order:
  
  MAKE YOUR CHECK PAYABLE TO:
  Internet Information Services
  
  (Please Print Clearly Your Name and Address)
  
  Name:
  
  Address:
  
  City/State/ZIP:
  
  E-mail Address:
  
  Please tell us your phone Number:
  
  Please tell us your fax Number:
  
  (ALL ORDERS FILLED WITHIN 24 HOURS OF RECEIVING THEM)
  *Please allow 8 days to receive your certificate by mail.
  If you do not receive your order within 10 days, please send us a fax letting us know of the late arrival. We will then contact you to figure out why you have not received your order."
  
  Thank you for your business"

  --JAVA

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  We are Jehovahs Witnesses.........

  by JW72 in

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  i used to like some of the 'kingdom melodies'.

  personal favorites were.. 'move ahead, move ahead to maturity...'.

  'little gifts from god our children are'-shame they don't get any.. 'life without end at last'-everlasting life with them could wait!!!!.

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  We're Jehovah's Witnesses
  We don't celebrate Christmas's

  Oh, that's not how it goes, but that's how it goes. I believe some things in life are so bad there should be laws against saying them. The Tower's Kingdom Melodies is one such example. "Kingdom Melodies" is an oxymoron.

  --JAVA

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  NWT On Line?

  by Carmel in

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  does anyone know where i can access the nwt online?

  all the sites i have checked are discussions about the nwt but do not have the text available.. cheers,.

  eligah

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  Carmel,

  I don't think anyone has the NWT on line; that would be a waste of cyber space! I see them all the time at used bookstores.

  --JAVA

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  Superstitions

  by Geoff in

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  i was reading through some of you guys old postings and i was laughing so hard.

  some of you guys still believe the strange things your mom and dad said but didnt explain like not eating count chocula cereal.

  didnt ever occur to you that maybe your parents thought that keeping you away from something as simple as a cartoon dracula might be in your best interests?

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  Geoff; where are you?

  You started two threads on this forum, and many people took the time to respond. What happened to you?

  --JAVA

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  Reading Obituaries

  by Norm in

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  in a norwegian local newspaper, a reader is being quite pissed off because some jehovah's witnesses accidentally showed up at her door just after her husband died.. apparently she is aware of such coincidences occurring before in the district to the extent that she dont think it is a coincidence at all.

  of course the local jehovah's witness spokesman denies any such organized effort on the part of jehovah's witnesses.

  they do not read obituaries to collect names, he claims.. so what do you have to say folks?

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  JAVA

  Hey Norm,

  You have a nice Web site (Watchtower Inside), and I notice it has been added to Netscape's Open Directory search engine. The URL is: http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/J/

  --JAVA

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