just few words to share with you:.
when someones words and actions tear down another, attack or weaken.
a persons standing as a christian, to gratify you, your position or your.
Patio,
did you mix your metaphors? "Gnats in the wind"? Shouldn't it be 'straining the gnats' or 'straws in the wind' or 'grasping at straws'?
Yeah, I often do that. I'm dyslexic (really) and sometimes I get the horse before the cart. My spouse has a lot of fun with some things I say--but I usually get even.
hey people .
well, um, ya, so i'm just gonna offer some free, unsolicited adive here...... quick aside: for those of you that don't know me, here's a little background (short and sweet version)....raised a jw, baptized at 15, da'd at 17. .
here is a little plh philosophy:.
PLH--Good post, thanks!
Looks like there might be shortage of coffee this morning with all the early risers. I better pick some more beans!!!
one of the most important techniques in manipulating people is to get control of their guilt.. all totalistic movements, religious or political use this method.
few organizations are better then the watchtower society in mastering this.
the religious cults have the advantage over the political that they can use the ultimate authority, namely god.. a typical example of such manipulation can be found in the january 15, 1997 issue of the watchtower.
larc,
You're starting early in the morning--must be the coffee!
Norm,
How many of these topics do you have filed away? They're all great; I don't know which one I like most. Have you thought about putting them all together into a booklet or book? That's a serious question.
Take something interesting to read. Question--why are you returning to the scene of the Tower's crime?
just few words to share with you:.
when someones words and actions tear down another, attack or weaken.
a persons standing as a christian, to gratify you, your position or your.
Hi MacHislopp,
Flip brings up a good point, but replacing "human being" with "Christian" moves the definition from a religious concept and into abuse beyond religion. Thus "spiritual abuse" doesn't work in that setting because it goes beyond the definition of "spiritual." I'm not trying to pick at gnates in the wind, but do you see what I mean?
I like the term "spiritual abuse" because it describes what the Watchtower and similar groups do to members. Like Flip, I think another word should be used instead of "Christian," because spiritual abuse happens in non-Christian religious groups, too.
Substituting "personal beliefs" in place of "Christian" might work for the spiritual definition. BTW, what is the source of your quote? I have a book somewhere in the house that goes by that title.
bible group trespasses not forgiven.
late-shift worker sues, wins $632 from jehovah's witnesses who woke her.
cleona (ap) -- a lebanon county woman who said she repeatedly told jehovah's witnesses to stay off her property won a $632 judgment against one of them who showed up at her door and woke her up anyway.. 05/04/01.
It's about time the book sellers for the Watchtower publishing firm gets sued for being stupid (didn't see 8 no-trespassing signs) and for disturbing someone with a real job.
DiStefano said she and other Jehovah's Witnesses go door-to-door to discuss the Bible with people and "give them hope for the future."
Not only is DiStefano stupid, but a liar. She knows she was there to sell swill from the Tower, and find another pigeon to do the same. There, I feel better now.
some times the inconstancies and contradictions in the watchtower literature seems almost unbelievable.
the double standard of the watchtower writers seems to be without limit.. one of the explanations for this is that some watchtower articles deals with how jehovah's witnesses want to be perceived and how they want to be treated by society in general, and the contradictory articles deals with how the faithful and loyal witnesses should regard their enemies and outsiders.
in psalm 139 this is spoken of as a complete hatred.
Norm,
Thanks for putting this together--great job!
- Java, of the birdseed class
does anyone take any responsibility for what happened in 1975?
maybe i should say what didn't happen in 1975!.
i mentioned 1975 to my still devout but not so fundamental jw mum.
Englishman & James,
In the late '60s to '75, the Tower encouraged young people to turn away from education, not to have families, and members to sell farms and property so they could work full time selling Watchtowers. All the while the Society was buying up Brooklyn, and anything else they could get their greedy little hands on.
the elusive brother some and the watchtower society.. in brooklyn , they have for years been bothered by a shady and very mystical brother.
they usually call him some.
we receive constant reassurances from the watchtower that what is printed in the literature is the truth.
Poor Fred--there is none so blind as those who will not see. How do you see but not see, Fred?
hi everyone.... what is it about this place?
what is it that keeps drawing me back when i have.
all these plans to try to just leave the jw issues alone, behind me and think.
Essie,
I think many former JWs on this and other forums ask the same question you bring to the group, but not as elegantly as you. My god Essie, you do have a way with words.
Forums like this help exiting members to not feel alone. We can relate to folks who have been there, and done that. However, your comments go beyond this stage and into the pea soup stage (I just made that one up). Perhaps we all get something different out of coming back while moving on; I don't know.
Do ex-Witnesses have a difficult time making genuine friends in the real world, and as a result, gravitage to places like this? Do ex-Witnesses feel a kinship with the group, and need to touch base like blood relatives? Can other people understand the mind set we used to have, and how it influenced our lives? Perhaps these are some of the reasons that bring us together years after the scene of the crime.
Hopefully, our journey to places like this forum is more of a loose-knit support group and/or a place to let our hair down with folks who understand. A moth gives its life in search of light; hopefully we've found a life after leaving the Tower, and this place understands the celebration.
