Posts by tiki

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“You know how I know that they're finished out there? The carts.”

by Athanasius in

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the watchtower's many legal problems and the jws' use of carts in their preaching work, reminded me of a scene and dialog from the film patton.. in a scene where patton is viewing a battle site the morning after, he says to an aide about the nazis: “you know how i know that they're finished out there?

in my dreams i saw the carts.

they kept buzzing around in my head and i couldn't figure out why.

tiki

Stopped at a red light yesterday...by a small park and there was one of the propaganda displays...manned by a beer bellied male in a raucous coral pink shirt and a sadly attired woman...like a refugee from a poverty stricken part of Siberia...but the kicker was their faces. Scowls like you can't imagine...they just looked like they were angrily breathing hatred. Seems to me the happifying message would or should generate a friendlier facial expression.....

And...if it is an honor to be allowed to stand by, why such angst?

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What would happen if Jepthas daughter disobeyed and got married anyway?

by nowawake14 in

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would jehovah kill her?

or would she be shunned by her religion as a whole?

say anything you would think of..

tiki

A lot of questions surrounding that story....what really was the "sacrifice" for starters. And assuming the characters were real historical beings and details presented factual...given the patriarchal society and a female child being the lowest in value as a human, I doubt the girl had any choices. So very sad the misery humanity has endured through the ages...

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“You know how I know that they're finished out there? The carts.”

by Athanasius in

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the watchtower's many legal problems and the jws' use of carts in their preaching work, reminded me of a scene and dialog from the film patton.. in a scene where patton is viewing a battle site the morning after, he says to an aide about the nazis: “you know how i know that they're finished out there?

in my dreams i saw the carts.

they kept buzzing around in my head and i couldn't figure out why.

tiki

Where I was pre 75 there was a fairly fast surge of new converts...mainly Vietnam vets disillusioned and desperate. A lot of 20 somethings that had taken to drugs and were ready to come clean. The religion plus the 1975 hype appealed to them. But most gradually departed the religion...of their kids very very few remain these days in the web. Several of the guys that served in that war never did conquer their demons...there were several suicides. I see a pattern though...in that those with poor coping skills were drawn to the religion....and it only perpetuated that problem.

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Serious question!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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how would you answer:.

how can you change or improve an individuals dominant mental attitude?.

zing.

tiki

The only person you can change is yourself....

But...if you find a person with whom you associate disturbing to you or toxic....best to distance yourself. We have to take care of ourselves and our mental and emotional well-being first.

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Today's Watchtower Study Oct 6th

by BluesBrother in

todays study article for 6th october discusses 2 cor 4 " we do not give up.".

in the race for life christians must not give up or be distracted by , among other things, postponed expectations .

hmm, what is the difference between expectations, predictions or prophecy?

tiki

Those damned apostates!! I recall a publication explaining the departure of many with the advent of public preaching...they were too prideful to witness......

But...1975 and so many other of the "expectation that makes the heart sick" with this doomsday cult... Just can't stand waiting for that mass destruction...

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The Great Tribulation must be at least 3 years away

by BourneIdentity in

since they’ve announced the dates for the next 3 memorials, no talk about this “may be our last one!”.

since they’ve announced the patterson construction project will take 3 years to complete.

let’s also not forget when they designed warwick, they spent money on expensive energy saving technology to save millions in the long run, years and decades in the future.

tiki

Yeah...it was called "selective destruction" as I recall. They allegedly have mapped out roads and infrastructure that will remain unscathed so that their post Armageddon rebuilding will proceed smoothly.

But don't get all excited about your new oceanfront property, because as in the flood topography likely will be altered. And...it will not necessarily be yours to choose where you will dwell...as all things must take place in an orderly fashion. So evidently those taking the lead will lovingly dole out property assignments.

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Do JWs eat shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, and mussels?

by sacolton in

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i'll play devil's advocate.... true, the mosaic law code prohibited the eating of blood.

but jesus fulfilled the law covenant thus wiping out all the laws previously set.

but then later, (through god's spirit, of course wink wink) the abstaining of blood was again brought to followers of christ.

tiki

Omg....I never heard about any food restrictions other than products containing blood. If shellfish has got to go...then lead away the blubbery pig as well. That cloven hoof thing.

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How Long Did It Take To Finally Leave The Organization Once You Realized It Was Really Not The Truth?

by minimus in

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it actually took me a few years to finally leave the organization so i was mentally out for a while before i simply stopped all meetings altogether.. how long did it take you to finally make the break?

?.

tiki

Omg...years and years....I hung on out of guilt I think....I know we quit going to the ts&sm in early 90's....did Sundays and the bk study till about 2002 but not with regularity....I quit fs in late 90's....kept up appearances basically...plus we were very close with another couple, so much of our involvement was socially driven. Was down to maybe a Sunday meeting here or there...then memorial and I was loath to go and fighting myself all day....hubby finally said...are you sure you really want to go to the shindig....I said no.....we never went into a hall again except for the funeral of the man of the couple with whom we were close. His widow remarried out of the org and has been ostracized due to that...she is uninvolved...we are still friends. But...my fade took a long time. I had such cognitive dissonance and didn't realize what it was. Plus I was never accepted really because I preferred to work full-time and live a decent lifestyle. I had tried the Pioneer poverty thing in my youth and hated it.

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Post convention grumps..

by zeb in

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hm of you with a divided house have to put up with this?

in this house its walking a mine field.. also our little cat has been gone for some 24 hours and her absence is also my fault apparently..

tiki

Hope kittius kattius comes home safe and sound. My cat and prior ones are/were indoor ones....we abut conservation land that is home to coyote, bobcat....Fisher cat....so pets aren't particularly safe around here.

As for the post convention blues.....sorry it's difficult. Why not plan a special treat....take her somewhere she likes...do something fun?

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Babylon The Great / World Empire of False Religion, do JW`s even preach that anymore ?

by smiddy3 in

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when was that first preached , with the book babylon the great has fallen gods kingdom rules ,the 1970`s ?

where they claimed that false religion had a fall in 1919 and that it was continuing to that day .

however today we see not babylon the great that is falling ,but the jehovah`s witnesses religion that are on the decline ,selling off branches , kingdom halls in one place after another throughout the earth .. and only a couple of years ago they were predicting they would be needing thousands of kingdom halls to be built for the expected influx of new worshippers ?

tiki

And the little one that became a thousand....... Then fizzled out?