how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.
now some of you still believe in the bible.
to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.
to show "the truth"? they have "the truth". are you aware they are under mind control? and that any attack or crticism will trigger their phobias?
only the zombies who are ready to wake up will.
they need to find the answers to their questions by themselves. do they have questions? or you just want to preach?
hello everyone, i know that many here like me have read ray's book crisis of consience, i was very impressed with it, it helped open my eyes to the hypocrisy and double standards of the wts, and ray gave me the impresion of being a very loving and kind man, not the demonized apostate we were all lead to believe.
but, i noticed something that wasn't quite correct when i was reading the part that spoke of then brother rene vazquez, he makes it seem like all rene did was have private conversations with ray and nothing else, this is not true, i for a fact know that this was not all that happened.
in a ms meeting on tuesday back in 1980, rene was conducting a part and he went up to the stage with only his bible, he started saying that all we needed was the bible, that we would no longer be using other publications by the wts .
Does anybody know what happened to the Vazquezes?
(referred to below: watchtower bible and tract society presidents: russell, rutherford, knorr, franz )did you know that from 1879 until 1954 ... ... the writings of c.t.russell, j.f.rutherford, nathan knorr, and the watchtower's own charter... ... agreed ... that jesus christ was to be worshiped?this fact has been cleverly and dramatically hidden by manipulation of older quotations.
______________________________________________________________________pastor charles taze russell answers the question for us.
see below zion’s watch tower 1898 jul 15 p.216“question: the fact that our lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was god the father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man.
excellent as almalways! if Rusell would resuscitate now... he would prolly dissasociate from the jws and would go to the international bible students
thanks to all who replied to my first post, i appreciate you taking the time to do so.. i left jws for my own reasons as a teenager as i just simply didn’t believe it .
i am enjoying playing catch up with all the information out there now showing multiple examples of false prophecies , covering up the truth and the jw broadcasting stuff is amazing ( as said before i’ve just ignored the organisation for 30 years ) , it’s totally brainwashing evangelical propaganda.. however i digress .... as a young kid i used to ask , “if in paradise the “ lion will lay with lamb “ and all creatures will live in harmony, why for example does a snake have venom if not to eat another creature ?”.
like i say i was 10 years old i remember so please excuse the childish question.. but do they actually believe that was gods original plan for animals ?
the questions are not childish. the answers they gave us were
editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.
these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.
“these are the choices the lord has given you.
i would have chosen famine. it was a punishment against the israel dudes. so every body else would. be ok. since i knew there was going to be famine then you can plan accordingly. outsmart tantrum yaweh. in those times they had stored grain.
famine meant no rain.
david was an idiot
well, these stories are always fun, right?
let me share mine.. my husband and have been pimo for 2 years.
inactive for one year.
I was PoMi for 15 years. We didn't have a lot of communication but we talked and we had family gatherings. Then one day I realized it was all a lie and told all of them. they stopped all communication.
People on the forum told me to wait and not take any rush actions. And I ignored them all. Sent a letter to all my family members.
What is shunning me is not them, but their cult personality. But now there is no way I could help any of them wake up.
Both way suck. You need to pick which sucky option you like best.
within the very documentary is a reason i think that jw's for the most part will not wake up even if they watch this program.
the one lady actually saw as her family sat behind the abuser in court supporting him despite the established fact that he had abused their very own child.. this shows how deep the indoctrination is.
i am not saying that some won't wake up, but the majority will carry on, not even because they think these things are lies but because they will look past that at all costs to side with jehovah.
i was looking at my children's watch history on youtube when i saw that they were watching atheist content!!!
what should i do?
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pray more?
◄ joshua 10:11 ►.
and it came to pass, as they fled from before israel, and were in the going down to bethhoron, that the lord cast down great stones from heaven on them to azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of israel slew with the sword.. .
looks like the amorites came to the battle only wearing helmets.
although that picure is the artist idea because the bable doesnt say they were not wearing armor nor shields
i don't get into the challenge garbage but this one intrigued me.
i bought three because as they run out the price goes up and i was going to resell.
but i decided to do one for myself.
I did... with seven friends.... to see who would run for the ice cream last..... forget that.
its beyond spicy. people laying on the floor screaming with pain for hours....
never doing it again.... until next time that is
