I haven't seen the WT with the millions quote in it.But I went back and read the history.I doubt if any one know the jws thought the resurrection was going to happen by 1925 with all the faithful men of old that are mentioned in Hebrews.What is so amazing is that they tied in Bible prophesy and the seventy jubilees of 50 years each to reach 1925.This was more exciting then 1975.It was for sure,not just a "how fitting."But in the history books it is hardly mentioned.What could they possibly have to say now.....they cover up so much.The RF don't even know how they are being lied to.....My sister gets all excited when ever there is a talk the makes it sound like A is right now...I can't wait to tell her a few things....She doesn't even know any of this....I read COC about 13 years ago,but I didn't really get into it much,because it was a tool of the devil.But now the second time I'm getting so more out of it...Thanks Mr. Flipper for an interesting post...
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" Millions Now Living Will Never Die" Ray Franz Thoughts from " Crisis of C "
by flipper inof course this has been hashed and re-hashed as all of you know the feb. 15th wt is re-directing jw's to read the title of rutherford's talk as " millions now living may never die.
" however in reading crisis of conscience a second time - i found it interesting to see what ray franz said about this quote.. remember he wrote this book in 1983 , so keep it in mind when reading his quotes about this " millions " quote.
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Crtical Analysis of the Proclaimers book
by cantleave injust found this on google.
i'm sure this has probably been posted on jwn before, but its new to me and will be to others.. http://www.cftf.com/booklets/proclaimers/index.html.
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Thanks a lot Blondie...this stuff is very interesting....
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Crtical Analysis of the Proclaimers book
by cantleave injust found this on google.
i'm sure this has probably been posted on jwn before, but its new to me and will be to others.. http://www.cftf.com/booklets/proclaimers/index.html.
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Oh yea....I have been reading it off and on all day...now I want the hard copy.....I'm going to find it...I bought the divine purpose book on E-bay...thanks for the information...
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Have some went back & those who do, what's it like??
by DubR ini hope everyone had a great time with their loved ones last week!
i wanted to know have any on this forum went back to being a jehovah's witness who were previously disfellowshipped, disassociated, agnostic, atheist; or just faded away?
would any of you eventually go back for family and friends?
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I did fade away for about 12 years and about 2 years ago I went back.Because I had been out so long I had to be studied with and taken out in service all over again.I really hated it.I knew more then the sisters that would study with me.Now I'm sorry and my eyes are open and I'm fading again.This time I have learned many things and continue to learn.But like you I have family in and I don't want to hurt them,so I'm being very careful.I just turn in token time and miss allot of meetings.I don't blame you for what you are wanting to do because of your mom.It can be done.Good luck to you....
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Crtical Analysis of the Proclaimers book
by cantleave injust found this on google.
i'm sure this has probably been posted on jwn before, but its new to me and will be to others.. http://www.cftf.com/booklets/proclaimers/index.html.
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Hay thanks for this...I have been looking for something like this to see what they did to change the Divine Purpose book.....
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A Very Good Apostate Session With Wify
by tjlibre ini took the opportunity during the family worship night to show my wife just two samples of the wts double standards and hypocrisy.
let me tell you...boy was i nervous, i didnt know what to expect.
but to my surprise, wify was very receptive.
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tjlibre,thanks for this information on Mex.I didn't really have a good understanding on why they couldn't sing or use there bibles or pray.I lived there with my husband for 2 years back in the 80s.It is still a little confusing,but I will look it up.I always thought the JWs had to register as an education so couldn't function as a religion.Any way it sounds like you are doing a good job.She will realize she can't trust an org that is lying good luck...
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How's your decade been?
by jookbeard infor me positives;.
getting married again.
having a lovely baby daughter.
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The best thing to happen for me is I woke up to see the "truth isn't the "truth"
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Question for still active JW's / Faders
by cantleave indo you still contribute for literature, give to the worldwide work, kingdom hall fund or contribute towards the upkeep of your local kh?
if you do - why?.
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No.And don't feel guilty about it.I haven't cut down my mag order yet...just toss them out...
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Changing WT wording
by KingAgag inin the recent thread about 'millions now living may/will never die', purplesofa said that the wts changed wording on watchtowers between magazine and bound volume.
i'd be interested to see some examples please!
this could be very useful to help someone i know see they are fallible.
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Any one coming into the org now is told not to read any older books,but just to go forward.When I studied with a neighbor lady a while back she wanted to get some older books just to read a little,but she was told by the elder not to......there own reading material is there worst enemy.
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Does anyone find it too painful to read the WTS publications?
by dissed inbeen out 13 years and even for research purposes, i find it way too painful to read this wt stuff.. and why?.
all the painful memories it brings back.
don't misread me, it has nothing to do with a guilty conscience.. it has to do with the real pain, the anger of being ripped off and lied too by the wts, the anger of seing how they have protected child molesters, sacrificed its followers by refusing blood transfusions, the treacherous way we and others were treated by the 'unloving brothers'.
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The farther along my fade is the less I want to study for the meetings.This last Sunday watchtower study was talking about loving Jesus and Jehovah by being submissive to the GB and the elders.There is so much of this lately,I'm wondering if they are getting ready for another big change.....Yes it is painful because this was the "truth" and my life....