Posts by Diogenesister

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Women must not instruct men, even by singing a theocratic song.

by Ultimate Axiom in

i did a quick search and this doesn’t appear to have been commented on here, but if it has been, i apologise in advance for starting an unnecessary thread.. regarding a change to a song title, the study article on page 7 paragraph 17 of november 2017 watchtower explained, “the change of the title “guard your heart” to “we guard our hearts” was most considerate.

in the audience at our meetings, assemblies, and conventions are many new ones, interested ones, young ones, and sisters who by singing the words would be put in the awkward position of telling others what to do.

so the title and the lyrics were modified.”.

Diogenesister

Yea, I guess JW women of today are better off than their first century counterparts. And much better off than their ancient Israelite counterparts.

Except, of course, there were ancient Isrealite female JUDGES, isn't that exercising pretty big authority ( looking at you Paul) & prophetesses and 1st century Christian women were ministerial servants ( Pheobe) and Apostles (Junia) . Apostle means messenger and Pheobe was entrusted to bring messages to the congregations, too.

Given the era we live in I believe jw suffer the most prejudice of any Christian religion and arguably any religion. Given the least respect as they are purely drudges to Watchtower.

As Stan says, too, can JW women with a head covered now PROPHESY? Wonder if they'd do a better job than The GB??

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Generation

by Jrjw in

please could someone explain to me what the generation thing i keep seeing in people's threads was that had lots of people leave the wts coz it was way before i became a witness.

Diogenesister

I don't know how they can change a generation from 20 to 80 years when if I was with my mam and daughter we'd say we were 3 generation's.

JrJW you got it in one. Watchtower would say you were one " overlapping" generation. And so with that they can say the generation that saw 1914 could still be around in 2060, say. You are going to have to carry to torch for us as we will all be gone when that year rolls around so we need you to remind everyone what they said back in this time!

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The “Most High” allocated Yahweh to Jacob

by Doug Mason in

deuteronomy 32:8-9 describes the most high (god) apportioning the nations to the gods according to “the number of the sons of israel/gods”.

one can argue over the niceties of the meaning of that expression.

of interest is that the “most high” allocated jacob to yahweh (“jehovah”).

Diogenesister

Doug what are monolatrists please?

I know what heinotheism is, is it a similar meaning?

Also, there is quite a dramatic difference between the NRSV's "according to the number of the God's" and translations giving it as " according to the number of the sons of Israel" etc. I know this is one of the famous OT scriptures that hints at polytheism - have you had a look at Strongs or anything else that may indicate the true meaning? Why such a discrepancy? Is it that some texts were redacted and some not? Sorry to bombard you! I just find it fascinating!

There's no doubt that Judaism as we understand it ( the old type not Rabbinical) began after they returned from their Babylonian " education", I believe Israel Finklestein found much physical evidence for polytheism in his digs ( chap from " The Bible unearthed", I'm sure you know about it). So that evidence certainly fits in with the poly or heinotheist camp. In this case, then, El and Yahweh are two different God's.

What do you think about the idea that Baal and Yahweh are one and the same God? Is there much evidence for that? I am unclear?( I believe Mikey of Kim and Mike has been causing a storm among the Christians by claiming they are the same and that therefore - gasp! - Yahweh is Satan!! I swear that guy is just steps away from discovering that it's all fantasy).😁

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The International Space Station passing Overhead At 10:22 pm ESDST Lakes entrance Victoria Australia.

by smiddy3 in

it`s always a buzz to see this with the naked eye and know that their are human beings orbiting the earth a couple of hundred miles up every 90 minutes or so .. the wife and i were just sitting out on our porch/patio waiting for the cool change to arrive when i noticed this "star" moving across the sky in a se/nw (?

) direction { i hope that`s right }.

anyhow i thought some others on here may be interested in tracking the iss from time to time.. by the way the cool change hasn`t arrived here yet it`s still quite warm though not as hot as it was today at 41 deg c.

Diogenesister

This stuff gets me so excited. I get a kick just reading your posts.😁I've had a look at the space station tracker but never been quite sure if I've seen it, living in light poluted city.

The kids and I have enjoyed watching the iss live feed and some of The you tube videos they post ( especially anything featuring hair LoL).

I've had my eye out for a reasonably priced telescope, but they don't depreciate much and there's always something else needs buying with kids. One day I'll get there and join a local club.

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Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

Diogenesister

Drearyweather Since you agree that JW's are extremists who should be criminalized, what is your first reaction when you see JW's standing next to a cart? Do you feel like running away in fear? or Do you sense the danger of being instantly mind-controlled and brainwashed if you even pass by the cart?

So are you saying watchtower isn't a mind control cult??

And yes. They do pray on vulnerable people who then give over *their whole lives*, think about it ,their whole lives and that of their children (if they feel permitted to have them)to serving a publishing company.

Their literature *is*extreme, if not extremist. When I hear of suicides, as I heard of a 25 year old who took her own life this week, being trapped in the cult, it's very hard not to want them banned in order to protect the next generation.

I don't apologize for feeling that way even if Kohanic was kind enough to.

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JW's - Do you follow pagan practices?

by The Fall Guy in

w95 5/15 p. 19 part 1—flashes of light - great and small: “jehovah’s witnesses do not celebrate birthdays because these observances have pagan origins and tend to exalt the ones having a birthday.” (jw broadcasting doesn't exalt the gibbering body??????).

in order to be “faithful in what is least” and to “stop touching the unclean thing,” j.w.

's should abhor & shun all of the following traditions and practices due to their pagan/demonic origins - especially using the names of weekdays and several of the names of months.. “it was believed that sneezing was the way for the body to rid itself of the devil's evil influences.

Diogenesister

Pagan means village person or yokel, in the original language of the Bible.

You can imagine the upper classes coming back after their Babylonian education, looking down on "the people of the land" and all their customs, as indeed they did.

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Family Insists on Having Relationship with My Child -_-

by Cimarrona in

hi gang, i'm a single mother of an 8 month old baby boy.

i've been df'd for over six years now.

my parents are super dubs and most of my siblings are dubs (on paper - a couple have been inactive my entire life but still claim to believe) with the exception of a brother who was never baptized.

Diogenesister

Another detail to take note of: the scripture says, “But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother--” so when one decides to leave the WT organization, they are no longer considered a “brother” or sister. How can this apply to ones who have disassociated? This scripture has nothing to do with refusing to say a greeting to these people in public or shunning them even in private (refusing contact).

Wake-me -ups rebuttal Is brilliant and I would urge you to show your parents, adding that *their* conscience should be their guide, no one else's.

It also occurred to me that this is talking about " brothers", NO WHERE does it mention to do this to family members.

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Why do ex-JW's talk so much about being ex-JW's?

by Sour Grapes in

is it because we were in the cult watchtower compound that we talk about being ex-jw's when we stop being active?

i have never heard anyone say that i was an ex-catholic or an ex-lutheran or an ex-baptist.

they just stop going to their church and don't talk about it.. years after not stepping inside a kingdom hell, many of us still have to talk about being ex-jw's.

Diogenesister

have never heard anyone say that I was an ex-Catholic or an ex-Lutheran or an ex-Baptist. They just stop going to their church and don't talk about it.

Putting it bluntly, because they were not suffering under undue influence in their lives. They did not have their autonomy restricted by an organization that claimed to love them but in actual fact was extremely damaging within every aspect of their lives.

In other words, they weren't in a cult.

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Will The Governing Body Sell Out The Watchtower Corporation In A Plea Bargin With Prosecutors?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

as the lawsuits continue to increase world wide against the watchtower corporation and it's branches,, things could get very dire for the governing body to plea bargin for a lighter sentence and so turn over crucial evidence against their fellow f&dss, technically beat their fellow slave and what not.. now i know a lot of you will be thinking: "what on earth could lead to the gb blowing the whistle on fellow his fellow gbs?

" i think that a legitimate question and offer no answer but just use your imagination as if this thing led them to make a run to the opposition to rat on others to get a lighter sentence.. hey i'm thinking about man's powerful desire to save one's own skin at the expense of his loyal companion..

Diogenesister

Do you mean if these class action suits really start taking off everywhere?

Isn't the fact the GB are no longer head of the wtbts a protective measure against them being sued personally? Since we had a famous case in Europe whereby the executive's of a corporation (ferry disaster) were themselves held responsible, isn't it more likely someone like the president of the wtbts will blow the whistle to save his Ass rarther than the GovBod?

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

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friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Diogenesister

Driveby4 hours ago4 hours ago

I would suggest reading "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson. It is entertaining and nontechnical but gives a good overview of how we got here.

Brillian book. It's a must-read.

Orphan CrowThis is because defects in the X chromosome can be overcome in the female with the other x chromosome making up for the defect. However, in the male, if they inherit an x chromosome that carries the genetic illness, they don't have another x chromosome to pick up the job and correct for the defective chromosone

Totally makes sense . I never thought about why it is boys seem to inherit most of the worst genetic defects, or do so more often anyway. It's probably why more baby boys are born, yet more baby girls survive.