Diogenesister

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  How much do Elders actually get along with each other?

  by Davros in

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  i was reading in the shepherding book that elders should “ cul­tivate and maintain friendships with one another.”, and thought to myself “bulls$it!” i remember that most of the elders in my old congregation were nothing but nasty asses.

  i know it may vary from congregation to congregation, but do elders generally get along with each other behind closed doors in elders meetings?

  or, are they often in conflict with each other?

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  Diogenesister

  Elder dramas....oh boy. We had two elders who had been so for many years. They were both decent chaps in their way but oh brother! The squabbles they had with each other! they were like two old dears arguing over the garden fence. Looking back it’s all pretty funny, but at the time it could be quite exhausting trying to smooth things over!!!

  (my grandad worked with one, we called Wilson, my grandad didn’t really get on with him because my grandad was an old soldier and disapproved of Witness men of his generation being from WW2)
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  Party Poopers (my Radio Play)

  by Terry in

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  party poopers a radio play.

  cast of characters.

  (narrator) terry (a crow wrangler).

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  FYI Bishop Desmond TuTu😉
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  Australian jws/branch warned of possible loss of charity status.

  by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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  hello all interested persons,.

  whilst driving to work this morning listening to the radio, my ears pricked when the presenter began talking about jws.

  it was on a programme which airs between 8.00 and 8.30 entitled am, and broadcast on the abc national radio.

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  Diogenesister

  As to the Watchtower coughing up $$$ through asset sale it cant happen. The Watchtower society in Australia has minimal assets of printing equipment and office equipment. Everything else is owned by separate(legally separate) entities that cant be drawn into the compensation.Every congregation is a poor charity with less than $5k in the bank and their hall is owned by a Private Non-charity company run by the WTS. Their whole restructure from the early 200's has been geared to avoid financial responsibility for their actions.

  This is all true. But I don’t think their ‘shell game’ will necessarily work. There is a court case In New York where CCJW inc. attempted to claim they were not Watchtower and therefore cannot be responsible for abuse perpetrated before they came into being (as you say early 2000’s). They claim CCJW doesn’t commingle it’s funds with any other organization and has its own board of directors.

  Fortunately Zalkin law firm put that BS to bed once and for all. The service dept remains responsible for child abuse cases whether it’s called Watchtower inc. or CCJW inc. and they are fully aware that watchtower owns all the property. The law won’t be fooled.

  i do agree they will do anything to escape liability, including folding the Australian branch and leaving each congregation to fend for itself and ensuring all donations go directly to Headquarters.
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  Watchtower to be stripped of Charitable status

  by Diogenesister in

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  australian senator anna rushton has said that all orgs who "don't take reasonable steps to join the redress scheme" will be stripped of their charitable status come feburary 2021.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/k1pur7/the_jehovahs_witnesses_will_be_stripped_of_their/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share.

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  Lest we forget, said problem has arguably become so long-standing, endemic, and institutionalized directly because of said claim.

  They simply would not consider that their vaunted "Biblical" standards and policies - so superior and effective than anything "Satan's World" could come up with - would not only fail to solve the problem, but actually make it worse.

  Yup. And joining the redress puts you on the list just like everybody else. With the terrifying realisation you are no different to any other religion, the whole pack of cards comes tumbling down.
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  Car Projects

  by peacefulpete in

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  how many of you enjoy car projects?

  we do one for the parade most every year.

  this year was a bust but the project is done and ready for next july.

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  Is it a fiat of some kind, Pete? Looks Italian, anyways!

  Have you seen these guys?ExJW car fanatics who take part in fares and parades. I think they're pro mechanics too.

  https://youtu.be/btmVDkMUsAg
  
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  Senior Judge to Revisit Case-Law on Authorizing Medical Treatment Against Wishes of Mature Minor

  by Corney in

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  https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2020/3003.html.

  nearly two weeks ago, sir james munby, a privy council member, formerly a law commission chairman, high court's family division president, and a lord justice of appeal, issued a short emergency order in a blood transfusion case closely resembling mcewan's the children act.. here are some excerpts:.

  2. the case involves the deeply troubling question of whether a blood transfusion should be administered to a young woman who is almost, not quite, 16, against her profound religious beliefs.

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  Thank you for posting.

  Thank goodness the judge seems to be saying we need to ensure this doesn't keep coming back to court every time she needs a transfusion because, despite her heartfelt wishes and "Gillick competency' he thinks risk to her life too severe (funny how every JW kid is deemed bright and articulate in these cases, because they've been fully primed!!) It seems the darn parents put her through a court case every time she needs blood (she's almost certainly got leukemia)

  God I feel so passionate about these cases I want to scream. I get so upset.
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  "extremism" -- What *specifically* did Russia ban Jehovah's Witnesses for?

  by Pallbearer in

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  2. beliefs

  russia's reason for banning jehovah's witnesses is said to be due to extremism.

  but what exactly does that mean, or refer to?

  specifically, what practice (or practices) of jehovah's witnesses does russia consider to be extreme?

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  According to some statements by the Russian authorities, it appears to be

  A. The destruction of Famillies due to the cruel shunning policy

  B. What we would term 'hate speach' toward the state and other religions

  C. The blood ban putting Russian lives at risk

  Of course, there are further reasons they don't talk about publicly.

  Such as the fact they are a specifically American cult (like Scientology & Mormonism, also banned) which fleeces Russian citizens of their hard earned cash and sends it back to a(rich) American cult.
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  A Salute to Petra/Atlantis

  by Slidin Fast in

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  whilst i have never quite understood whether petra and atlantis are one or multiple entities i recognise the value of their work and web of contacts.

  i think it is fair to say that no-one has consistently contributed more solid gold intelligence to this site.

  no one has reliably passed on more bomb shells and solid news as well as day to day minutiae.

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  Diogenesister

  That's very interesting Pistol Pete, though somewhat depressing!!

  ....kinda sounds like they could morph into another version of themselves, in order to donate to themselves, and so on ad infinitum!!😲😋
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  Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. beliefs

  if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

  yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

  this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

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  I think they came up with the idea shortly after ww2 when the US and Britain were on the same side

  Very likely Hoser. Watchtower is so parochial...only sees its immediate surroundings, as such. As another poster commented, very American/western-centric. Incapable of seeing outside its bubble.
  
  
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  Is There (Was There Ever) an Anglo American Dual World Power?

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
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  if you live in the u s a or the united kingdom, this is how the wt society views your government, your nation :-.

  yes, as an ugly, evil terrifying beast !

  this is based on the book of revelation chapter 13 , quoted as follows in the revelation climax book.

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  Diogenesister

  My favourite brand of glasses are called "Anglo-American" lol

  It's a word, it's not an Empire...not even close. We had an Empire once. I think America...are they Apostates from the Empire??😜

  Anyway, just an aside, Watchtower has always referred to the feet as being made of clay & iron, am I right? Lloyd Evens, in a recent video, said that in the nineties watchtower changed or flip flopped its ideas, saying the toes were many small political entities, de-colonized & derived from earlier empires. But I think they've always said this? Is that true? Or do I mis remember? However the feet have always been made of clay and iron - always represented the Anglo American empire.

  This never changed, did it? Or am I going nuts?