Posts by Diogenesister

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I would rather be in the JW cult than the ex-jw cult

by questioningmyfaith in

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i have posted one other time on this website.

just for the mere fact that i wasn't anger and bitter and ready to declare the gb the sociopathic criminals that so many here ascribe to, my initial question digressed to bickering over ad hominem attacks against the gb and not my beliefs that i'm questioning.

some did give me some help on my questions.

Diogenesister

Giordano After Jonestown my attitude changed about a religion like the JW's when I recognized how dangerous it was to embrace teachings that called for blind obedience......... teachings that called on a believing parent to refuse having their child receive a life saving blood transfusion. Who were willing to allow them to die and keep the favor of their fellow believers. A religion like the JW's expects their followers to go about their business with a suicide note in one's pocket that spelled out NO Blood.

Listening to the Jones town recordings terrifies me...you are so right. For me, I always think when I hear it there but for the grace of JW facts and JW.net go I....

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I would rather be in the JW cult than the ex-jw cult

by questioningmyfaith in

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i have posted one other time on this website.

just for the mere fact that i wasn't anger and bitter and ready to declare the gb the sociopathic criminals that so many here ascribe to, my initial question digressed to bickering over ad hominem attacks against the gb and not my beliefs that i'm questioning.

some did give me some help on my questions.

Diogenesister

I agree with OTWO. It seems you have reached a place where you can move on...that's great!

But really..without exjws posting fantastic, informative stuff about the watchtower and its history, how many of us would have learnt the ttatt on our own??I for one admit I wouldn't have been smart enough to work it all out.

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The rise and rise of Paul Gillies?

by JWB in

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the rise and rise of paul gillies?.

here are a view details about the 57-year-old paul stuart gillies.. .

2011: appointed as a director of international bible students association (ibsa) on 2 november having resigned as a director of watch tower bible and tract society of britain on the same day.

Diogenesister

(Sorry to divert the thread a bit)

Besty just read the ' chocolate cake' OP. Bloody brilliant.

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Barbara Anderson's Paedophilia CD: The Watchtowers Chocolate Cake Defence

by Duncan in

i received my copy of barbara andersons cd paedophilia in an american religion a month or two ago, and i have been reading through it since.. what follows, although i have called this a review, is in no sense a scholarly consideration of the legal merits of the cases described, a task for which i am wholly unqualified.

these are, rather, my subjective reflections on the material presented, the impressions i gathered while reading the legal filings, my untrained, common-man appraisal of the cases laid out in those documents.

ill also admit to being swayed by tone of voice adopted, and to using my own common-sense yardstick in determining the reasonableness of the statements made, the responses given and the arguments put forward.

Diogenesister

Fantastic. Thank goodness for the law of equity. Stumps the BS ( eventually) every time.

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2016 Memorial Done & Dusted

by steve2 in

well on this side of the planet, the southern hemisphere/ new zealand, the 2016 memorial service in local kingdom halls will be over for another year.

another great big anticlimax.

some family and relatives will have gone - but unless i ask my sister, i generally have no idea about attendance and partaker numbers.

Diogenesister

Biblexaminer you had me in fits...dog and pony show!!!LOL!!

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My mother has nervous breakdown because we missed the memorial.

by cookiemaster in

my parents insisted that i'd take them to the memorial.

my cousin said he'd come too and another brother who doesn't have a car begged to join.

i was dreading having to go through exactly the same thing again.

Diogenesister

Tell her she can commemorate on her own or with you guys...the building is not important. Tell her does she really think ceremonially rejecting the wine and bread is a good thing anyway...Xanax..isn't that Valium? Mothers little helper?!!

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Sweet 16 - Happy Birthday to Us !

by Simon in

it's the forum's 16th birthday today!.

amazing that not only have we lasted so long but we're still thriving and growing.. thanks to all the people and often colorful characters who've contributed to the site over the years.

some are still here with us, some have since moved on, but all have touched each others lives in some way along our different journeys.. .

Diogenesister

Happy birthday forum....Many thanks to Simon and other mods for all the hard work ( not bad going for a fat Asian man with a small winky!!!)

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My Personal Invitation to the Celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal

by TMS in

by no means is this a heartwarming "experience" illustrating how an ex-jw skillfully "reached the heart" of a current jw, moving them to re-examine their belief system.

that won't be my take on my half hour visit with an elder's wife last sunday.

no one scored points here as is almost always the case in these interactions.. we live at the extreme southern tip of texas, on the u.s.-mexico border in a city of about 200,000. twenty years ago there were 20 spanish language congregations, 2 english.

Diogenesister

JWs can be rattled by an intelligent, orderly exchange - even if they do not acknowledge how they are feeling inside at the time.
How do I know? That lady speaking to TMS was me many years ago.

Hear hear Steve2...ditto me too!

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My Personal Invitation to the Celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal

by TMS in

by no means is this a heartwarming "experience" illustrating how an ex-jw skillfully "reached the heart" of a current jw, moving them to re-examine their belief system.

that won't be my take on my half hour visit with an elder's wife last sunday.

no one scored points here as is almost always the case in these interactions.. we live at the extreme southern tip of texas, on the u.s.-mexico border in a city of about 200,000. twenty years ago there were 20 spanish language congregations, 2 english.

Diogenesister

, why," I asked, "did God not warn hundreds of his children that a tsunami was coming? He saw it coming, didn't he? Is there a reason he simply chose to watch them all die?"

He stood there thinking with no immediate response.

Then I addressed him by his first name which I now forget. "If you, as a father, had simply watched your son die, doing nothing to protect him or warn him, how would that be viewed by the authorities? Would you not be guilty of child abuse?"

The Witness man simply said "I have no answer for that. Thank you, sir, for your time."

How refreshingly honest of him. Im not surprised you think of him....it would be nice to know that he was OK and that he and his son managed to exit the cult😊

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My Personal Invitation to the Celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal

by TMS in

by no means is this a heartwarming "experience" illustrating how an ex-jw skillfully "reached the heart" of a current jw, moving them to re-examine their belief system.

that won't be my take on my half hour visit with an elder's wife last sunday.

no one scored points here as is almost always the case in these interactions.. we live at the extreme southern tip of texas, on the u.s.-mexico border in a city of about 200,000. twenty years ago there were 20 spanish language congregations, 2 english.

Diogenesister

Maybe that step will take years, maybe not. But I can assure you that getting a dose of TTATT is like getting exposed to radiation: Even if you don't feel it yet, it is reaching down to your bones and you won't ever be able to get rid of it.

Fantastic stephaneLa....👍

I also think that line about Jehovah'appalling sense of justice will have hit home to some extent, if true so obviously a freak tragedy the Israelites, like much else, attributed to an imaginary god.

Its good for dubs to meet intelligent, ordinary, polite exdubs with well thought out reasons for leaving of their own volition. I often think the " herd mentality" is one reason they don't see the issues with the cult.." If all these sane people think its true, we can't ALL be wrong - these non JW's just dont KNOW enough about it" type thinking. The more they hear that many people DO know their religion AND think its wrong the better.