Posts by Diogenesister

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I don't get it - Marriage in WT world

by menrov in

in wt world, a marriage is only seen (considered) as legal if it is registered in the municipality (or similar governmental organisation).

now, if you look at the scriptures, there was no requirement to have a marriage legally registered in order to be considered married.

is it not strange that the wt subjects themselves to and adopts an worldly arrangement setup but governments rules by satan when it comes to a marital status?.

Diogenesister

menrov ...

It's simply the obey Caesar thing, that's all. What you have to do to get married can vary by country, State, even municipality. But generally there is no conflict with the Bible so you have to follow the rules of your local government.

Actually, Menrov is not the only one to have wondered about this.

It actually doesn’t make sense. The Catholic church, for instance, as with many religions, won’t consider two Catholics married UNLESS they have a religious ceremony.

There is no “obey Caesar” Since Caesar doesn’t require legal marriage.

It’s actually the opposite with watchtower, they will accept marriage at your local town hall even if you have no religious marriage, yet won’t accept a Marriage solemnized at the Kingdom Hall if it is not followed by a registrar witnessed signing of the certificate.....that always puzzled me.

It proves to me it’s all about the image of the organization.

edit: now I’m thinking, it’s probably more about disfellowshipping, shunning, DA and general “not good association - ness”. After all, all this means not everyone associated with watchtower and Jehovah’s witnesses Can marry in a Kingdom Hall so I guess they have to rely on secular marriage.

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Was It Designed? (My head hurts)

by Cadellin in

i know i shouldn't--i tell myself this over and over--but i can't help peeking at these silly articles.

and then i see this and my head really starts hurting: so the gannet, if you don't know (and why would you?

) is a seabird that feeds on fish.

Diogenesister

Waton Wt and others severely underestimate the creator.

Even the natural laws might be the once that are left over from all the others that did not work well in their universes.

I mean you’re right there. Evolution doesn’t at all make the claim there is no creator.

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Was It Designed? (My head hurts)

by Cadellin in

i know i shouldn't--i tell myself this over and over--but i can't help peeking at these silly articles.

and then i see this and my head really starts hurting: so the gannet, if you don't know (and why would you?

) is a seabird that feeds on fish.

Diogenesister

And don't give me that crap about the animal kingdom "changing" since the fall of Adam and Eve.

That’s the thing, Jehovah’s witnesses DO believe in evolution....except they call it “micro evolution” (if they’ve the brains to realise there’s a name for it)😩😩😩

Good Grief.

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Tonight's Meeting

by Studyover in

during tonight's meeting the brother seemed to read out something along the lines of "you may be helping a poor sister who you think may be struggling, but in turn that sister may be getting financial assistance from the government.

it is always best to stick to jehovah's arrangement in these matters so that help can get to those who most need it, including the worldwide work".

i think it may have been an article about social media platforms initially and how they should be avoided and then this was mentioned.

Diogenesister

Oh brother they’re saying don’t you DARE waste your money helping your fellow sister in Christ, give US all your money and you can rest assured the money will go to those who need it most.....US!!!

They are not even permitted to give Christian charity as individuals now, to their friends!! This is incredible. This organization becomes more brutal by the day! I actually feel sick.

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“The Asiatic Mind” — Watchtower 1956

by slimboyfat in

searching instances of the word “simplify” in watchtower literature, i stumbled across this.. the asiatic mind finds it difficult to accept new ways, to simplify and to make advantageous changes.

they fear conversion and dislike others’ offering them help.

many continually live in a realm of unreality and refuse to face modern facts of life.

Diogenesister

Yup. I was told as a kid, that the Japanese and Chinese have “no concept of sin”.

It really stuck with me.

Straight away I thought to myself, if that is so...why aren’t they all running around with no clothes on then? I thought it didn’t quite make sense, since we were all supposed to have this in-built sense of shame as a result of the fall. They can’t have it both ways.

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Beards are depicted as normal in heaven but not on earth

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 2020. study article 32. walk humbly and modestly with your god.

jesus is depicted in the heavens.

next to him stand some of his co-rulers.

Diogenesister

wonder why head shaving for brothers hasn't been banned for jw's since it identifies with the 'skin head' Arian brotherhood?

I wondered that because you certainly wouldn’t have seen it in the UK, when I was young, because of the association with skinheads.

A shaved head was far more a mark of someone to avoid than a beard when I were a nipper. In fact I think men with beards gave off a rather jovial, kindly sort of vibe in most people’s minds.

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World Wide Work Resolution Doubled Overnight

by JW_Rogue in

during covid-19 crisis our hall decides to double the amount sent to hq from our local account.

the resolution is unanimously supported, no questions asked.

has anyone else had this happen?.

Diogenesister

Pistol - Oh my - I can't believe what they told your family member. They make Jehovah out to be like a loan-shark collector for the mafia.

Exactly. It’s called “protection money”....“donate“ or you’ll loose your eternal life!! What a scam.

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The Guardian: Former Jehovah's Witness elders call for mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/10/former-jehovahs-witness-elders-call-for-mandatory-reporting-of-child-sexual-abuse?fbclid=iwar13k3rzferkzvjj5lbxegzhjr1dkfw34gqchgms4gdmhjufcv24hpzjcco.

two former jehovah’s witness elders have called for mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse, saying the organisation believes it is “answerable only to god”.. duncan corbett, who was an elder for 18 years, told the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse that the protection of minors and the handling of abuse claims must be taken out of the church’s hands.

“let them deal with the sin and the authorities handle the crime,” he told a hearing in london.. lloyd evans, another former elder who now campaigns against religious fundamentalism, said: “this is a group that feels they are answerable only to god … they don’t feel as though they need to yield to any regulations that are imposed on them.”.

Diogenesister

think the case for Mandatory Reporting has been well made by so many representatives to the Inquiry, that it is bound to call for it in its Report, which they "hope" will be published in the Summer of 2021.

I’m not convinced mandatory reporting will ever become law in the UK. I don’t think the experts will all fully agree to it. The worry is it stops kids coming forward if they think all adults will betray their trust, as the kid sees it. Remember much of it takes place in the home and because of the emotional blackmail involved there are many kids that will continue to suffer rather than countenance being removed from their family. Abuse within families is extremely complex and kids need to have somewhere to turn, someone who will take each case individually. For example you may have a situation where a kid is being abused by a mentally disabled sibling. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be stopped but first and foremost the kid needs to trust to open up. This is why, so far, it hasn’t been mandatory.

By the way m not making a judgement call I’m just explaining why it hasn’t happened so far. As Blondie would say “Not supporting , just reporting”

(By the way this wouldn’t apply to Jehovah’s witnesses I’m talking about groups like child line etc who aim to get kids coming forward as a first step.)

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Bleecker Street — I saw a shadow touch a shadow’s hand (New York)

by slimboyfat in

will i ever make it to new york?

i feel if i ever did make it to new york i would never want to leave again.

what do i know about new york?

Diogenesister

Ahhhh the look of absolute adoration in the audiences eyes. I can absolutely relate. Stunning. Just mind blowing.

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UK, Modern Slavery Act 1915

by Half banana in

i have just had a glitch in logging in to my bank account.

the consequence of which was to start from scratch and re-register.

on doing so i looked at the small print and noted that the bank was obliged to include a passage on the modern slavery act of 2015. the purpose of which is not simply to avoid and exclude complicity with human trafficking but to treat all customers, staff and business partners with appropriate human consideration and dignity.

Diogenesister

Half Banana don’t worry.

The kids who are the adults of tomorrow will not tolerate such behavior from their faith. Watchtower will soon have zero followers as youngsters are far more aware of things such as modern slavery etc