Posts by Diogenesister

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The ORG'S "foundation" name............

by BoogerMan in

.........jehovah.. the bible's foundation name - (1 corinthians 3:11) "for no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is jesus christ.".

the org's chosen name for christians - "jehovah's witnesses.".

jehovah's chosen name for christians - acts 11:26 - "...the disciples were by divine providence called christians.".

Diogenesister

The Law applied to the Hebrews. Jesus nailed the law to the cross & we as gentiles were never under the law (except Noahide) (Gal. 3:23, Rom 10:4, Eph.2:15)

Christians are under the law of Christ (Gal.6:2). So as other posters have stated, such worshipers of the God of the Bible & following the lead of the apostles are to be called 'Christians' (Acts 11:26).

I suppose their are many denominations who give their church as a whole a specific name to differentiate it from other churches - In the Bible they used only geographical location e.g. church of Ephesus /Brighton /Austin Tx etc - But naming your church or denomination something else is one thing, calling yourselves as Christian's anything else but "Christian" is not Biblical, IMHO.

In recent times Watchtower has leant more towards reclaiming the term Christian, e.g. "Jehovah's Christian Witnesses" (perhaps because they often get challenged that they are not?). But despite their protests they call each other "one of Jehovah's witnesses" first and foremost and always have.

NB. I'm still not clear if Arian's are considered fully Christian? Can someone more knowledgeable clear that up for me, please?

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The Saddest Thing About Tony Morris's Removal

by NotFormer in

i've mentioned before how i've wondered how tony morris must have felt when he was sacked.

yes, i know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement.

to go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall.

Diogenesister

On Bottlegate and embarrassing the WTS, I didn't realise how long ago that was. It was at least five years ago; I was under the impression that it was more recent, and therefore some sort of smoking gun regarding Tony's removal/retirement. That he was some sort of conservative holdout and needed to make way for fresh blood makes more sense now, especially with the recent changes.

That bottle gate thing was blown waaay out of proportion by certain...ahem...regressive activists😉 Talk about speculation, he could have been buying that for any number of reasons. A wedding, (his wedding anniversary party was my guess), a business meeting....witnesses can and do drink, after all.

I think he wouldn't agree to recent changes and either DA'd in anger and was made to sign a gagging order in return for a home etc Or the GB are more decent than we thought and did so out of pity.

I do think Not Former's comment stands that he'd be quite friendless since I'm pretty sure he's not attending meetings (or we'd know by now?) or at least pretty isolated... especially if he's the sociable type (which I'm sure he is). Witnesses are very status-driven, after all and may be a bit leary around him now.

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Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

by Ron.W. in

a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

elder: 'yes.

i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

Diogenesister

NFormer Dyb, dyb, dyb!"

"Dob Dob Dob!" 😉

"I'm canvassing for our local MP/representative. Can we count on your vote madam?"

"I'm collecting for Mercy Ships ,would you care to donate, no? Do take a leaflet then to see some of the real lifesaving work we undertake!"

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

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on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

Diogenesister

But they are getting suspicious. Just the other day, one brother wondered aloud who "Mony Torris" was.

😂😂

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New immigrant in New York State?

by was a new boy in

“state agencies have found 4,000 vacant positions in an effort to put illegal immigrants into the state’s workforce, according to a memo by the new york department of civil service, which was approved earlier this month.'.

in the memo, new york officials identified three barriers preventing illegal immigrants from getting those state jobs.

to address these barriers, the civil service department said it would create positions in ‘transitional’ titles with requirements ‘more in line with the candidates’ qualifications.’ in other words, illegal immigrants would be hired into the same positions while, at least temporarily, having the usual qualifications such as english proficiency, proof of education, and previous employment waived for them.”.

Diogenesister

Talk about the enemy within....

Don't they understand they will undermine everything you stand for?

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2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

by Witness 007 in

1914 generation is long gone.

1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

Diogenesister

Rattigan How are you calling 1914 wrong without replacing it with something that can be right?

Eh?

There are so many things that I can definitively say are wrong, yet not be able to give the correct answer.🤦🏻‍♀️

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

by DerekMoors in

for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

Diogenesister

He's also been proven completely wrong about so-called aggressive "regressive" activism. With more effective big protests & lobbying than ever!

📢I'll have three + naughty forty - 340 please 😊

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A talk about 1975 from 1972

by Nostromo in

everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

Diogenesister

Wow!🤯That's the first time I've heard this talk - there's absolutely no denying his meaning here....no fudging his words whatsoever! The society has never been this way with any other date....even 1914!!!

An aside....is that the dude as a younger man on the two photos at left?? With beard? Or is that channel owner?

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"Beast" Memories

by NotFormer in

i've been crapping on the wt a lot lately, which sometimes seems a bit unfair to me, especially since i was never in, therefore i don't really have a dog in the fight.

to provide a bit of balance, i'll reminisce about the rampant prophecy speculation going on in mainstream christianity (i refuse to use the wt's pejorative term: "christendom", especially since by definition, they're part of that classification 🙄) in the 70s and 80s.

to be fair, the churches themselves had been around long enough to realise that end times interpretations are like arseholes, everybody has one.

Diogenesister

You're correct Not Former ...nothing like it!😂

Very 70s...very trendy ATM , 70s styling. Makes me rather nostalgic...

NB it's exactly the kind of thing witnesses get paranoid about. In fact a lot of our JW urban legend myths and stories have originated in "Christendom" we all came to find out!

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Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

Diogenesister

Pioneer schminoneer I love it when Gentiles dress up "like Jews" and play "Israel" for other Gentiles in fake "Israel-Land" based on (and this is my favorite part) the New Testament.

Yeah...how come that's not "cultural appropriation"?? 😂