i visited phoenix when i was a kid and fell in love with the hot desert and big city.. i haven't been back since, so i'd like your take on phoenix now.. i've given up on houston, tx cuz it doesn't sound as nice as the desert..
Wife and I moved here 3 years ago and love it. The heat is a little intense in the summer but it is like spring the rest of the year.
After 30 years living in Seattle we were sick of the gray and drizzley climate and so far the Phoenix climate has not worn off .
that is right-- do not pray for thier families!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they had no business being up in the heavens anyway, the earth is what jehovah created for mankind,
man has continued since the days of nimrod to reach into the heavens.
JT,
I remember it like yesterdai....I was at Bethel doing vol. const work and was seated at Abrahamson's table ,there was abosutelely nothing mentioned.
It's kinda funny that you posted this thread,my wife and I were having a similar conversation on how prayer was nearly always reserved for the Bro.'s or that the "others" would learn the truth.
jeffory
i kind of thought maybe he would change after becoming a jw, .
was, and how no boys would ever like me.
soon after that day, he asked me if i would like to babysit his 2 kids that weekend for an evening, as he and his wife were .
vitavegamin.
I haven't posted in some time but I have to reply to your post. I have three daughters and the oldest went through something similar so I know it happens.
The WTS is quilty of atrocities,,, they need to pay, , the damage they do to young innocent ones is beyond comprehension for most people who are not familar with the internal workings of the WTS.
My heart goes out to you.Consider yourself hugged , for what thats worth.
Remember that the best answer to those monsters is to make your life a sucess.
Love .a father of daughters
Jeffory
jeffory!!!
i just read your reply to the post i did on april 20. .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=26071&site=3#340417.
Marilyn,
just read your message.... The wife and I are having a great time here....we start our survival Russian course next month..
It really has been a change after so many years in one place but we thought we had one or two more adventures in us.
We saw the Kremlin last week this week is the May day parade and we hope to be able to see it. , the subway system is very easy to use,,,the central city is circled by a subway and then there about eight or nine spokes radiating out from there so you can reach nearly every place in the city.
Again , it has been a change for us but a positive one. Two of our daughters still lives in Seattle, one active and one not .
The oldest is married and living in Portland ,,,,still active as a JW
Still trying to sort out the whole question of spirituality what it is etc. as even though we no longer buy into the "only true religion" thing we still feel spirituality...but thats why most of us here on this board still post here i guess...
well Dos Vadanya jeffory
on april 20, 1977, my brother's wife, janice, died as a result of complications from childbirth.
the baby, their only son, also died unnamed.
this is a photo of my brother and janice .
mulan,
sorry for your grief, you just hope loved ones eventually recover and find some kind of meaning and satisfaction in their life.
those events touched indirectly on the life of my wife and i as we had been studied with by ray and bonnie dienes who knew of the tragedy as my wife was pregnant with our 2nd daughter and it brought home the risks.
My wife and I are now living in moscow , working at the embassy
hope you and your's find comfort.
jeffory
the last 3 year's have been like a rollercoaster ,,,the bubble that is life as a true believer has been burst, after nearly 20 years as an elder i declined to accept the position after my wife and i moved from the cong.
we had been with in seattle to another hall.. the consequences of rejecting a position further strengthened my view that life in the backassward world of jwdom is not an option anymore.
dec.4th 2001 was our last meeting, i had just had enough, haven't been back and won't go back.. these board's have been a real therapuetic event.the good,the bad and the ugly all post here.
celia,
We're going to Moscow.... not the one in Idaho either.
a little nervous but looking forward to it.
jeffory
the last 3 year's have been like a rollercoaster ,,,the bubble that is life as a true believer has been burst, after nearly 20 years as an elder i declined to accept the position after my wife and i moved from the cong.
we had been with in seattle to another hall.. the consequences of rejecting a position further strengthened my view that life in the backassward world of jwdom is not an option anymore.
dec.4th 2001 was our last meeting, i had just had enough, haven't been back and won't go back.. these board's have been a real therapuetic event.the good,the bad and the ugly all post here.
The last 3 year's have been like a rollercoaster ,,,the bubble that is life as a true believer has been burst, after nearly 20 years as an elder I declined to accept the position after my wife and I moved from the cong. we had been with in Seattle to another Hall.
The consequences of rejecting a position further strengthened my view that life in the backassward world of JWdom is not an option anymore. Dec.4th 2001 was our last meeting, I had just had enough, haven't been back and won't go back.
These board's have been a real therapuetic event.The good,the bad and the ugly all post here. I haven't posted much but have been an appreciative lurker, first at the old H2O site and here since about a year ago.
Just like to say thanks to all. I will be leaving this area for some time. After mentally detaching from the true beliver mode 2 years ago it was a bit disconcerting. 28 years of my life revolved around the interest's of that organization[ my blood pressure rises just thinking about it] and now I found myself asking what now? Well I did something on the wild and crazy side ----I applied for a job working on a US Embassy. This was over a year ago, I received a TS clearance in Jan.after an extensive background check, I've been a very good boy for a very long time----see there are some good things that come from life in the org., and was offered a job oversea's so What the Hell
here we go, Life's journey phase 2.
again thank's to all
jeffory
whether or not the 'dateline' program ever airs, the watchtower.
society is still going to get pounded by bad press over the coming.
months and years.. why should they care?
metaron,
your comments are right on the money.
contributions are the first thing to dry up in the wake of bad publicity. a recent 60 minutes was profiling the false advertising claims of the red cross during some fire disaster's . they were totally exposed and whats more they came across as arrogant and not willing to acknoweledge any need to change.....guess what during the next emergency in that area contributions plummeted.
sounds alot like the WT. I know the first thing to go in our case was that yearly check .
jeffory
does anyone have any information on the birthday "new light?".
i think i remember seeing a thread about it, but i can't find it.
i need it to send to my niece,(yes, i'm still trying) and i wonder if anyone can point me to the thread or site where this info might be.. thanks...... april.
Tatinia,
The "new light" consisted of a Questions from Readers a couple of years back. The article pointed out that those who did celebrate were spirituall weak.
Basically this was "code talk" to the elders that Judicial comittees were not going to be convened for those who celebrated since they were spiritually weak. Remember only those who are wicked as opposed to weak will be D F'ed.
jeffory
i won't go into all the advice that could be given on actual.
construction - just a few thoughts on how to scam the flock.
to get things moving.. first, "lowball" the estimates of what construction will cost.. honesty is irrelevant here - it doesn't matter what the final.
metaron,
How true it is.
I worked on the branch project in Igaduma, Nigeria in 1987 and a fellow plumber took issue with the pace of the project and what he correctly perceived as the gross inefficiencies,, foolish person that he was he thought the G.B. should know so he wrote a letter detailing such things. And the result ...gratitude for immense cost savings you might think... of course not. when Underhill visited we got a special talk on how we might be resisting the Holy Spirit when we talk about the work there at the branch.
jeffory
