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  2nd attempt - Big AHA moment for me !

  by Lozhasleft in

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  wontleave posted this on another thread:.

  jesus is truth and when an organization tells you they're "truth", they're calling christ a liar unless they are an exact representation of him.. wow !!!!

  of course...how could i have never noted this???

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  Loz, I affirm the simple words of Jesus.

  Tet, the Bible that Jesus quoted also says that 'thy word/Scripture is truth' (cf. 2 Tim. 3:16, etc.). It is both/and, not either/or, the Written and Living Word. Scripture is God's self-revelation, inspired, infallible, authoritative. We worship Jesus, not the Bible (bibliolatry). Jesus is the Truth, but He also quoted Scripture as God's truth.

  wontleave, I thought you were female, not male. I believe in sound hermeneutics (the art and science of Bible interpretation). This does not mean that any person, especially me and GB, are infallible. Creeds can express biblical truth, but they can also be wrong. The creed that affirms one God vs many gods is biblically correct. The WT also systematizes beliefs and often proof texts verses out of context to support error. That does not mean that everyone who quotes a verse exegetes/interprets it wrong. Pointing out bad interpretation and proof texting does not negate the possibility of sound Bible interpretation in context. We would have to look at any given verse/issue in more detail. We cannot assume we are both right or wrong on every issue. We actually have agreement on many verses/issues, just not the Christocentric, essential ones (and only one of us is right vs both).

  Jn. 3:16 is straightforward, but we have to formulate a doctrine of God (triune or solitary) and Christology (Creator or creature) based on all relevant verses in context (and with a credible translation, thus excluding NWT).
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  2nd attempt - Big AHA moment for me !

  by Lozhasleft in

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  2. friends

  wontleave posted this on another thread:.

  jesus is truth and when an organization tells you they're "truth", they're calling christ a liar unless they are an exact representation of him.. wow !!!!

  of course...how could i have never noted this???

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  godrulz

  The Bible does contrast believers being in the truth (being in the Truth, Christ, and the body of sound doctrine) vs being in darkness, error, etc.

  Jn. 14:6 does show that we are saved by a person, not a church or organization.This is why one can be saved by faith in Christ, not by theological excellence or conformity/uniformity with a fallible organizations like Catholic church (Popery), LDS/Mormon (modern 'prophets'), or JW/WT/GB. Evangelicals do not have a pope, prophet, or GB. Our faith is based on Sola Scripture (Reformational Scripture alone; properly translated/interpreted/applied).

  If JWs had truth, they could claim to be in the truth without denying Jesus, the Truth, even if they are not infallible (like the early church which also had doctrinal disputes, divisions, etc.). If evangelicals are on the right track, they also can follow the person of Christ as supreme truth and claim to be in the truth vs in darkness (worshipping false idols, gods, false teachings, etc.). The Bible is not afraid to emphasize sound doctrine and warn about false doctrine, so neither should we be afraid to defend and proclaim truth (which does not mean we are infallible on every point, but at least right on core, essential truth like the doctrine of God/Christology/soteriology=salvation).
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  The "WOW!!" moment...Theocratic Ministry School was a sham!

  by Terry in

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  i just remembered something from long ago..... i moved to california in 1974 after i had been in "the truth" for 11 years, having full-time pioneered and also having served time in federal prison over the so-called christian neutrality issue.. i felt completely confident that my bible education was the best on planet earth.

  i had honed my skills by door to door preaching, discussion, arguments and attendance at the theocratic ministry school.. i began working as an artist in a huge company that manufactured all kinds of art, sculpture and wall hanging.

  the head of the artists was a wonderful young man, skilled artist and devout christian who took me under his wing.

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  This method must be very ineffective. If born again Christians with the Holy Spirit put in a fraction of the hours dedicated JWs do, our churches would be exploding. As it is, evangelicals worldwide are seeing great conversion growth (mostly outside of North America) despite not performing door to door to that extent and fewer hours by far (I suspect). I supposed being hundreds of millions instead of a few million makes a difference. Relational, friendship evangelism will always beat cold call salesmanship (I realize door to door does not make a group true nor does rate of growth or sheer numbers).
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

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  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  godrulz

  Give me one simple question. If it is prove the existence of God or the veracity of Scripture, you will have to read books since one post will not convince you.
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

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  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  I don't remember your simplistic, stupid questions. God also does not play games with your temptings and tests. He has already revealed Himself, but you reject the light you have. God is sovereign, so He does not show up at spelling bees when you have already rejected His Son's claims proven by His resurrection. An angel of light, demon can also show up to deceive you, so be careful how foolish you are.
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  Introducing Myself

  by StandFirm in

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  hello to jwn!

  this is standfirm.

  i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

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  godrulz

  I was part of a denomination in local leadership. The WT is dictating micromanaging decisions and doctrinal changes. This is not parallel to denominational business that does not control and threaten people with DF over manmade, arbitrary rules. We encouraged vs forced obedience to God and did not demand unquestioning loyalty to any man or organization like GB does.
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  godrulz

  On judgment day, the issue will not be jerky religionists. You are right to reject mortal men who irk you, but when you look at the Lord Jesus Christ in His glory, majesty, beauty, love, holiness (including His life, death, resurrection, reign), are you right to reject Him? You do not need religion, but you do need Jesus. You cannot find fault with Him, but you will always find fault with His followers. Those who love Jesus are also commanded to love fellow believers, warts and all, and even our enemies. Your Kingdom of Self/godplaying is more odious to God than your offense at fallible men who can be fools.
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  The "WOW!!" moment...Theocratic Ministry School was a sham!

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just remembered something from long ago..... i moved to california in 1974 after i had been in "the truth" for 11 years, having full-time pioneered and also having served time in federal prison over the so-called christian neutrality issue.. i felt completely confident that my bible education was the best on planet earth.

  i had honed my skills by door to door preaching, discussion, arguments and attendance at the theocratic ministry school.. i began working as an artist in a huge company that manufactured all kinds of art, sculpture and wall hanging.

  the head of the artists was a wonderful young man, skilled artist and devout christian who took me under his wing.

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  godrulz

  WT wizard seems to be in even more darkness than as a JW. Curse the WT for turning people off of God Himself.
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  Sometimes You Just Gotta Score One For the Cult Members

  by PublishingCult in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i really don't care much for jw's at my door, or at anyone's door.

  this chauvinistic, fanatical bully-a-hole, however, is one of the worst examples of a christian i have ever seen.

  the jw's handled themselves very well in the face of this ridiculous bullying and taunting by this so-called christian attempting to school the jw's about god and the bible.

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  godrulz

  Many believers/churches would not condone this guy's style.
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  Introducing Myself

  by StandFirm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello to jwn!

  this is standfirm.

  i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

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  godrulz

  Basically, GB has a vote on beliefs, policies, etc. They are imperfect men, even some are bad men, not directed by God (beliefs are contrary to Scripture), yet controlling millions of lives (unlike freedom in biblical Christianity under God).