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  When was your last Kingdom Hall meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  i stopped going to kingdom hall meetings about nine years ago.

  i was fading for the longest time, refused to go out in field service, dropped out of the ministry school talks, no longer answered at the watchtower study, arrived at the meetings the last second, and left as soon as possible.

  i couldn't take attending the meetings any longer.

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  Sometime in the Spring of 1988.
  
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  A Month In and Bombs Are Already Falling

  by Simon in

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  so about a month in to biden's presidency and they are already bombing a country.. remind me how trump was going to bring about wwiii with north korea, iran, china and god knows who else?

  did he?

  no.. but straight back to business as usual for the military industrial complex and crickets from their media buddies..

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  Was the President aware this was going to happen? I read the Vice-President was livid as she was not informed. I wonder who is actually running the show?

  Bill Clinton and Barack Obama
  
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  Hip Hip Hooray yyy

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends i`ve finally got an appointment to go to hospital tomorrow ,pre-admission for my hip replacement surgery.. so if you don`t hear from me ever again ,it means i`ve carked it .lol, should i even joke about that ?.

  so its goodnight from me till who knows when ?.

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  Take care.
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  Are JW's Fundamentalist Christians

  by What is Truth? in

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  top ten signs you're a fundamentalist christian.

  10 - you vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.. .

  9 - you feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the biblical claim that we were created from dirt.. .

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  After I left the JW's a belonged to an evangelical (fundamentalist) church for a number of years. Those people do not think of JW's as fundamentalists. The fundamentals can be found here:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fundamentals

  A few things quickly stand out, as doctrines at odds with the Watchtower. The Deity of Christ, The Personality of the Holy Spirit, Justification and Salvation through Grace alone. Regarding their understanding of the Bible, I've read some Christian writers (Walter Martin, Anthony Hoekama) who point out JW's don't recognize the final authority of the Bible. In Watchtowerland all Scriptural interpretation is filtered through the pages of the Society's literature.
  
  
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  Why the Lord's Prayer and Not Stephen's?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  other n t prayers:.

  the lord's prayer.. .

  the tax collector's prayer.. .

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  Unless its changed, JW's are opposed to "canned" prayers even if they're in the Bible. I think reciting the Lord's prayer at the start of meeting would get you yanked off the stage and hauled in front of a committee.
  
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  Can we stick to topics that we came that we came to this forum in the first place?

  by James Jack in

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  2. experiences

  i don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..

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  I have often thought about starting a series of posts on practical information for living a good life after the JWs. Maybe topics like: moving out of your parents' house, finding a job, finding an apartment, buying a house, renovating a house, opening a checking/savings account, planning for retirement, investments, etc. Depending on your age leaving the JWs any of those topics might possibly be appropriate.

  Go for it. JW's don't learn anything about life in the real world, meaning there are lots of XJW's that might be struggling to learn how to handle those items you mention, and many more. I'll be happy to bore anybody that asks with my financial advice.
  
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  U.K. Nurse Vaccinated With Covid Shot Has Covid Weeks After Getting Vac!

  by minimus in

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  someone i know from england is a nurse.

  she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.

  she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.

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  Why are they not even mentioning it as possibly a good idea to take? (esp. you are known to be deficient)

  Because vitamin D is toxic if you take too much. The correct solution to this is get tested and see if you're deficient. If you aren't taking Vitamin D is a bad idea. I would be interested in seeing a study, if the percent of people with COVID and vitamin D deficiency is the same as the percent of everybody with vitamin D deficiency it doesn't mean anything.
  
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  If only someone had kicked my a$$.. (This is post is not for theists)

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  i think back on the 30+ years of bs as well as my fading almost a decade and even now being low key in person to hopefully save my nieces from the wt.

  i'm a wreck in some ways.

  i'm other days i'm stable however when it comes to theism i depart quickly and with anger!

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  If I could go back in time kick some one's ass, it would be my own.
  

  I started studying in 1972, I was sucked in by the whole 1975 thing. At the time I was a university student (at Washington State University), I graduated in 1973 and was baptized a few months later. During this entire time I was studying I had access to the university, which at the time had something over 2,000,000 books in its catalog. I never once went there and looked up Jehovah's Witnesses.

  As an JW I had many discussions with householders about religion. I only listened to their arguments long enough to plan my next comment.
  

  The reason the vast majority of non-witnesses don't talk to witnesses about religion is because they have better things to do.
  
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  Anyone notice how when some of us older ones were in the cult.......

  by mickbobcat in

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  when i was a kid in the late sixties the type of books we would study was very intense compared to the bull shit pablum that they put out today?

  i mean the finished mystery and others now its these stupid books that don't dive deep into the beliefs.

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  I was 22 when I became a JW in 1973. I had been on a spiritual search for some time, I was in a bad place in my life. The Watchtower seemed to have all the information I needed. The literature at the time at least FELT impressive. It also agreed with my world view at the time (anti-war, anti-government, etc). Had my introduction to the WTBS been through today's dumbed down books and magazines I would have kept looking.
  
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  1984 movie, Similar to WT land.

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

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  wow, if you have the time, watch this movie of orwell's 1984. it was made in the '50s, so its a little hokey, but wow the similarities are scary.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mj08hncica.

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  Language. George Orwell clearly understood that if you gave new meanings to old words, or created new words with special meanings, then you could control how people thought. One of the characters explicitly states that when language is fully under the control of the party it will literally be impossible to frame an argument against it. Words such as "freedom" will have lost all meaning. The WTBS was well on its way to realizing this when the internet came along. I think it may be impossible to do that now.