Posts by JeffT

Telling somebody they're in a cult is like telling some one they're a racist. It may be true, and you may have truck load of evidence, but all you're doing is starting a fight.

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Homless in Seattle raping and assulting people, the dems don't care.

by mickbobcat in

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-seattle-homeless-resident-homicide-attempted-rape-jason-rantz.

I live in a suburb of Seattle. I can't say I have personally seen any of this because I haven't been in Seattle itself for months. There are some parts of the city I won't go into. Even here in the 'burbs we're seeing more and more homeless people wondering around. There is an abundance of petty crime. I had no idea there was such a bull market for catalytic converters. Not a week goes by without reports of a bunch of stolen converters.

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WT Using Symbolic Interpretation to Twist Scriptures

by Sea Breeze in

does anyone know of examples where the watchtower used symbolic interpretation to twist the plain meaning of scripture?the only one that comes to my mind right now is in rev.

"then i heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of israel".. .

here, the wt would have us believe that the number of those sealed are literally 144k; but supposedly "israel" symbolically represents anointed jw's.

JeffT

Proverbs 4:18

The Watchtower teaches that this means the Bible says that old incorrect teachings can just be changed because "the light got brighter."

Taken in context:

"The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
19 But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know what makes them stumble."

It is clear this is talking about the individual gaining wisdom and maturity as he grows in his faith. In my opinion one of their most ill-begotten intrepretations as they use to excuse outright error in their past teachings - nevermind that the new teachings will in due time become old teachings.

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STUDY ARTICLE When a Loved One Leaves Jehovah

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2021. study article 39. when a loved one leaves jehovah.

2 think how heartbroken jehovah must have been when members of his own angelic family turned their back on him!

(jude 6) and imagine how hurt he was at seeing his beloved people, the israelites, rebel against him time and again.

JeffT

I picked up this recycled joke a long time ago. I think it applies to this article:

Q) What's the difference between Jehovah and the governing body?

A) Jehovah knows he's not the Governing Body.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

JeffT

Kim and Mikey

You have once again managed to evade the real issues here. You can't, or won't, examine what's been brought up on this thread. The horse is dead, I'll stop beating it.

However I will give you one thing: you're right I don't get it. You don't fight propaganda with more propaganda, you fight propaganda with Truth. You don't fight anger with more anger, you fight anger with kindness.

It must be hard going through life with all that anger.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

JeffT

What concerns me most here is the possible damage to an innocent party - Watchtower Property and its employees, notably Julie Foyle. If she has no connection to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society the insinuation that she does, and is engaged in something nefarious could destroy her reputation.

One of my previous employers was a New York based real estate management and leasing firm. I can tell you, the New York market is a cutthroat place to do business. Some less than scrupulous players in that market will use anything to get the jump on a rival. A story like this, could wreck someone's livelihood.

Some folks on this thread seem to be so focused on bringing down the WTBS they are oblivious to the collateral damage they might be doing.

Edited to correct: Julie is in Philadelphia, not New York. I imagine that its also a tough place to work, what I said above is just as true here in Seattle. No matter where they are, real estate brokers are laser focused on their deals (and commissions).

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Ralph Walls implausible 2021 Convention field service story

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

another implausible field service story told by ralph walls at the 2021 convention.

get ready for this unrealistic, stupid, dull and boring, made up fiction that is presented at this assembly.. some years ago ( tells a story but doesn't know exact date ), a brother ( doesn't give his name ) in mexico ( doesn't name the town) from the rurals, dressed in a very simple garb ( to show he was not showy ) knocked at the door of a palatial mansion.

( a very rich ''worldly'' person must live here ).

JeffT

A rich Mexican probably has armed guards and razor wire around his "palatial mansion" to keep guys like this away from the boss.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

JeffT

This is not complicated. At issue is whether or not Watchtower Property Company is in some way a business partner of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society - the allegation made by Kim and Mikey and/or Smurfgirl.

I posted links to the sources of the information I gathered about Watchtower property. I believe that information, from third party sources, shows there is no connection between Watchtower Property Company and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. If some one posts information, sourced from similar unbiased third parties, showing that such a connection does in fact exist, I will apologize and ask Simon to delete my post.