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  Sixteen years later and wow is life different

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  i have no idea if this is the right place to post this.

  if you're just leaving the witnesses or questioning and toying with the idea of leaving..... life goes by fast.

  and either you rip the band aid off and deal with it or let it fester and eat you alive.

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  I'm 71. I became a JW in 1973 during all the pre-1975 hype. Looking back I had about one or two years when I was totally into it, a few years of hanging out with JW friends, got married, and just wanted a normal life with wife and children. I was not very into it for a number of years.

  The Watchtower's position on higher education was the issue that finally pushed me over the edge. I wanted a good life for my children. Wife (also a convert) and I DA'd ourselves in 1989 after a year of independent study at the library and joining an XJW support group. (That's what we had before the internet )

  All three children have college degrees, two have advanced degrees and the third is thinking about picking up a Master's.
  
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  Poor Little Dewey, Watering Flowers Alone in Space

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  one of the earliest movies i can remember watching, probably because of the heart-wrenching ending with little dewey alone in space, watering the flowers in the garden, was silent running.

  i'm not going to admit to how long i sobbed after watching that.. apart from it being a pioneering movie about environmental apocalypse and the people involved going on to create other great scifi movies, and the robots being the inspiration for r2d2 in starwars ... it reminds me of growing up.. it's now a 50 year old movie.

  but back i thought the little robot was real.

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  I saw that when it was released, I was in college at the time. I loved that movie, although it has some big plot holes. The spaceships were fantastic!
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Classic abusive relationship. The dominant personality in these always seem to have some power over the victims that nobody else can figure out. The victim's family and friends watch helplessly while the person they care about crawls back, believing all the lies about "true love" and "changing ways" just to see it turn into the same old shit all over again.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  JeffT

  Seriously, stop hoping. It's a waste of energy because it's not going to happen.

  And, in my opinion, if it does some large percentage of Witnesses will just go find somebody else to run their lives for them. They have been too deeply indoctrinated into the idea that they need some one to guide their every thought and action.
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  Freemail, do you have an actual argument or is throwing around insults all you have?

  Sloppy Joe, in a democracy people argue about what they believe and what they want the government to do, or not do. Then we vote and see which position a majority wants. Roe v Wade short-circuited this process, which is why it has been contentious for fifty years. Now, the debate will take place where it belongs, in the state legislatures.
  
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  Still here.

  by Lee Marsh in

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  the last 2 1/2 years have been extremely stressful.

  while the rest of the world was dealing with covid, i was also dealing with cancer.

  in fact it seems none of my doctors knew about it.

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  Wow that is quite a story, it is good to see you back here.
  
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  NZ Kingdom Hall Going Up For Auction June 23rd

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://www.bayleys.co.nz/2313423.

  https://www.bayleys.co.nz/news/commercial/prayers-answered-for-community-groups-or-property-developers-as-former-church-is-placed-on-the-market-for-sale.

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  Nice looking KH. Where is the congregation going to go?

  Never mind, I saw it. The Watchtower continues to grow -- smaller.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  A couple of thoughts.

  I'm thinking of a list of questions to ask Lloyd when it's time for interrogatories and depositions. As you know I'm a retired accountant and I've been involved in some legal arguments about financial matters. I'm basing this on the US court system. From my initial scan of the post by pr0ner the Croatian system looks much like the US. My questions would mainly be about financial matters. Since Lloyd brought up the use (or misuse) of Patreon funds, he made it fair game.

  I sued somebody once, about thirty years ago. I really hope I don't have to do that again. Discovery was a nightmare, there is no such thing as privacy. The defendant can ask for any information they want: copies of bank records, receipts, expenses, credit card records, travel records, you name it. You don't get to refuse, the judge will dismiss the case if plaintiff doesn't get what they want.

  Stevehowell: You've been on this board 4 hours, you can't dictate what we say. Evans is a very real problem for the XJW community, we can and should talk about how to respond to him.

  My opinion: I'm afraid his antics will poison the well in our battles against the WTBS. We don't need this, but we can't ignore it.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I read a good quote last night. The book is about the end of WWII and covers (among other things) the mass rapes by the Soviet Army. After the war ended, Germany was completely destroyed, many of the men were dead or in prison camps and the women turned to prostitution to stay alive. The author (Antony Beavor) writes "there is a fine line between prostitution and rape."

  The difference between rape and prostitution, especially when there is a very real difference in power between the individuals involved, is the question that one needs to ask when a First World tourist is hiring sex workers in a Third World country. It may look like a mutually consensual arrangement, but is it? I think the answer to that questions bears directly on one's qualification to represent themselves as an advocate for victims of sexual abuse.
  
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  Will the ministry ever resume?

  by optimisticskeptic in

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  going on 2+ years of no public ministry.

  can't imagine anyone is really enjoying letter writing still or that it's remotely effective.

  i'm a little shocked that we haven't resumed yet but i guess that's what happens when the org is run by a bunch of old people (ie high risk for covid) and a bunch of other sheltered germaphobes.

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  If the WTBS wanted to become more mainstream there were always a couple of hard to unwind issues: shunning and field service. I think they may take this as an opportunity to finish up with the later. They could keep up the letter writing and actively encourage "informal" witnessing. While that's going on they can just let the Saturday morning drag yourself door to door business die on the vine.

  This may leave them looking for something to keep everybody busy. Based on past experience, I think they may find a way to pull another rabbit out of the hat.