Has anyone noticed, that the Watchtower Society has JUST NOW REMOVED this Fax Letter from the JW MEDIA Website?
I wonder why they did that?
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Watchtower Fax to Panorama
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here is the "official" watchtower reason for not giving an interview to panorama: .
http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bbc020509.pdf
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An Australian perspective
by ozziepost inseems things are not going to be at all easy for george w. if today's news is anything to go by.
now australia has added its voice to the europeans in calling for caution in the buildup of tensions with iraq.
here's tonight's news report here: .
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Bush is a fundamentalist Christian of the most dangerous sort and surrounds himself with people who believe that 'Armaggeddon' is going to happen any moment.
If anyone would like to see some Web Pages that show that Bush is NOT a Christian, check out this Link: http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?query=Bush+bones&crid=6e4c5e5573b25e93
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FREEDOM
by UnDisfellowshipped inmatthew 20:27: and whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your servant; .
matthew 20:28: even as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.. mark 10:42: but having called them near, jesus said to them, you know that those seeming to rule the nations lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
but through love serve one another.. galatians 5:14: for the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "you shall love your neighbor as yourself.".
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CHRISTIAN FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!
In the Scriptures below you will see the FREEDOM that TRUE CHRISTIANS have, and you can compare this to the "Freedom" that the Watchtower Witnesses have:
All Scriptures below are from the "Literal Translation of the Holy Bible" (Go here for information about this Bible Translation: http://www.kconline.com/paul/litv/litv.htm )
2nd Corinthians 3:17: And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
John 8:32: And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.
John 8:36: Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.
2nd Corinthians 1:24: Not that we (The Apostles) rule over your Faith, but we are fellow-workers of your joy. For by Faith you stand.
1st Peter 5:1: I, a fellow Elder, exhort the Elders among you, I being also witness of the sufferings of Christ, and being sharer of the glory about to be revealed:
1st Peter 5:2: Shepherd the Flock of God among you, exercising oversight, not by compulsion, but willingly; nor eagerly for base gain, but readily;
1st Peter 5:3: nor as exercising lordship over the ones allotted to you, but becoming examples of the Flock.
1st Peter 5:4: And at the appearing of the Chief Shepherd, you will receive the never fading crown of glory.
1st Peter 5:5: Likewise, younger ones be subject to older ones; and all being subject to one another. Put on humility, because God sets Himself "against proud ones, but He gives grace to humble ones." (See Proverbs 3:34)Matthew 20:25: But having called them, Jesus said, You know that the rulers of the nations exercise lordship over them, and the great ones exercise authority over them.
Matthew 20:26: But it will not be so among you. But whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.
Matthew 20:27: And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your servant;
Matthew 20:28: Even as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His Life a Ransom for many.Mark 10:42: But having called them near, Jesus said to them, You know that those seeming to rule the nations lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
Mark 10:43: But it shall not be so among you, but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.
Mark 10:44: And whoever of you desires to become first, he shall be slave of all.
Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His Life as a Ransom for many.Luke 22:24: And there was also a dispute among them, who of them seems to be greater.
Luke 22:25: And He said to them, The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those exercising authority over them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26: But you be not so, but the greater among you, let him be as the lesser; and the one governing as the one serving.
Luke 22:27: For who is greater, the one reclining, or the one serving? Is it not the one reclining? But I am in your midst as One serving.Matthew 23:8: But do not you be called Rabbi, for One is your Leader, the Christ, and you are all brothers.
Matthew 23:9: And call no one your father on Earth, for One is your Father, the One in Heaven.
Matthew 23:10: Nor be called leaders, for One is your Leader, the Christ.
Matthew 23:11: But the greater of you shall be your servant.
Matthew 23:12: And whoever will exalt himself shall be humbled, and whoever will humble himself shall be exalted.
Matthew 23:13: But woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven before men; for you do not enter, nor do you allow those entering to go in.Matthew 24:48: But if that wicked slave says in his heart, My Lord delays to come,
Matthew 24:49: and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and to drink with the ones drinking,
Matthew 24:50: the Lord of that slave will come in a day in which he does not expect and in an hour which he does not know,
Matthew 24:51: and will cut him in two, and will appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.Isaiah 61:1: The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is on Me, because Jehovah has anointed Me to preach the Gospel to the meek. He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to captives, and complete opening to the bound ones;
Isaiah 61:2: to proclaim the acceptable year of Jehovah, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;
Isaiah 61:3: to appoint to those who mourn in Zion, to give them beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, the mantle of praise instead of the spirit of infirmity, so that one calls them trees of righteousness, the planting of Jehovah, in order to beautify Himself.Colossians 1:12: giving thanks to the Father, who has made us fit for a share of the inheritance of the Saints in light,
Colossians 1:13: who delivered us out of the authority of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of His LoveGalatians 5:1: Then stand firm in the freedom with which Christ made us free and do not be held again with a yoke of slavery.
1st Corinthians 7:23: You were redeemed with a price; do not become slaves of men.
Romans 7:6: But now we have been set free from the Law, having died to that in which we were held, so as for us to serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.
Romans 8:21: that also the creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption to the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Galatians 5:13: For, brothers, you were called to freedom. Only do not use the freedom for an opening to the flesh. But through love serve one another.
Galatians 5:14: For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
(See Leviticus 19:18)1st Peter 2:16: as free, and not having freedom as a cover of evil, but as slaves of God
1st Corinthians 8:9: But be careful lest this authority of yours become a cause of stumbling to the weak ones.
1st Corinthians 8:10: For if anyone sees you, the one having knowledge, sitting in an idol-temple, will not the weak one's conscience be lifted up so as to eat things sacrificed to idols?
1st Corinthians 8:11: And on your knowledge the weak brother will fall, he for whom Christ died.
1st Corinthians 8:12: And sinning in this way against your brothers, and wounding their conscience, being weak, you sin against Christ.
1st Corinthians 8:13: On account of this, if food offends my brother, I will not at all eat flesh forever, so that I do not offend my brother.James 1:25: But the one looking into the perfect Law of Liberty, and continuing in it, this one not having become a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in his doing.
James 1:26: If anyone thinks to be religious among you, yet not bridling his tongue, but deceiving his heart, this one's religion is vain.
James 1:27: Pure and undefiled Religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their afflictions, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.Here are the Laws that Christians are under:
Matthew 22:35: And one of them, a lawyer, questioned Him, testing Him, and saying,
Matthew 22:36: Teacher, which is the Great Commandment in the Law?
Matthew 22:37: And Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." (See Deuteronomy 6:5)
Matthew 22:38: This is the First and Great Commandment.
Matthew 22:39: And the Second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (See Leviticus 19:18)
Matthew 22:40: On these Two Commandments all the Law and the Prophets hang.Matthew 7:12: Therefore, all things, whatever you desire that men should do to you, so also you should do to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Luke 6:26: Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers did according to these things to the false prophets.
Luke 6:27: But I say to you, Those hearing: Love the ones hostile to you, do good to those hating you,
Luke 6:28: bless those cursing you and pray for those insulting you.
Luke 6:29: To those striking you on the cheek, turn the other also. And from those taking your garment, do not keep back the tunic also.
Luke 6:30: And to everyone asking you, give. And do not ask back from those taking your things.
Luke 6:31: And according as you desire that men should do to you, you also do the same to them.
Luke 6:32: And if you love those who love you, what thanks is there to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
Luke 6:33: And if you do good to those who do good to you, what thanks is there to you? For even the sinners do the same.
Luke 6:34: And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what thanks is there to you? For the sinners lend to sinners so that they may receive the equal things.
Luke 6:35: But love the ones hostile to you, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be much; and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the unthankful and evil ones.
Luke 6:36: Therefore, be merciful, even as your Father also is merciful.
Luke 6:37: Judge not, and in no way be judged. Do not condemn, and in no way you will be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Luke 6:38: Give, and good measure will be given to you, pressed down and shaken together, and running over, they will give into your bosom. For the same measure which you measure, it will be measured back to you.Matthew 19:16: And, behold, coming near, one said to Him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17: And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One, God! But if you desire to enter into life, keep the Commandments.
Matthew 19:18: He said to Him, Which? And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder, nor commit adultery, nor steal, nor bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19: honor your father and your mother," and, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (See Exodus 20:12-16 and Leviticus 19:18 and Deuteronomy 5:16-20)Matthew 5:38: You have heard that it was said: "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth;" (See Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 24:20 and Deuteronomy 19:21)
Matthew 5:39: but I say to you, Do not resist the evil; but whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40: And to him desiring to sue you, and to take your tunic, allow him also to have the coat.
Matthew 5:41: And whoever shall compel you to go one mile, go two with him.
Matthew 5:42: He asking you to give, and he wishing to borrow from you, do not turn away.
Matthew 5:43: You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor" and hate your enemy; (See Leviticus 19:18)
Matthew 5:44: but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you,
Matthew 5:45: so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. Because He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust.
Matthew 5:46: For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax-collectors do the same?
Matthew 5:47: And if you only greet your brothers, what exceptional thing do you do? Do not the tax-collectors do so?
Matthew 5:48: Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.1st John 5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His Commandments.
1st John 5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep His Commandments; and His Commandments are not heavy.Romans 13:8: Do not continue to owe no one, nothing, except to love one another. For the one loving the other has fulfilled the Law.
Romans 13:9: For, "Do not commit adultery," "do not murder," "do not steal," do not bear false witness, "do not lust," (See Exodus 20:13-15, 17) and if there is any other commandment, in this word it is summed up, in the words, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (See Leviticus 19:18)
Romans 13:10: Love does not work evil to the neighbor. Then love is the fulfillment of Law.I would love to see everyone's comments on these Scriptures.
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GOOD NEWS
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe gospel of salvation -- the good news of god!
all scriptures below are from the "literal translation of the holy bible" (go here for information about this bible translation: http://www.kconline.com/paul/litv/litv.htm ).
you can see clearly below that the watchtower society is not teaching the true gospel of christ:.
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THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION -- THE GOOD NEWS OF GOD!
All Scriptures below are from the "Literal Translation of the Holy Bible" (Go here for information about this Bible Translation: http://www.kconline.com/paul/litv/litv.htm )
You can see clearly below that the Watchtower Society IS NOT teaching the TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST:
Who is Good?
Romans 3:10: according as it has been written, "There is not a righteous one, not even one!"
Who has Sinned?
Romans 3:23: for all sinned and fall short of the Glory of God
Where did Sin came from?
Romans 5:12: Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man (Adam), and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned.
God's Price On Sin
Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death...
Who Paid The Price?
Romans 5:8: but God commends His love to us in this, that we being yet sinners, Christ died for us.
The Only Way Out:
Romans 10:9: Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10: For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.Romans 10:13: For everyone, "whoever may call on the Name of the Lord will be saved."
You can take God at His Word and claim His promise for your Salvation -- Pray to God and Repent of your sins, ask God for forgiveness, and tell Jesus Christ that you believe in Him and His Sacrifice, and ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart and to be the Lord of your life!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Luke 2:10: And the angel said to them, Do not fear. For, behold, I proclaim Good News to you, a great joy, which will be to all people,
Luke 2:11: because today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord, was born to you in the City of David.Mark 1:14: ....Jesus came into Galilee proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God,
Mark 1:15: and saying, The time has been fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God draws near. Repent and believe in the Gospel.2nd Timothy 1:8: Then do not be ashamed of the Testimony of our Lord, nor of me, His prisoner. But suffer hardship with the Gospel, according to the power of God,
2nd Timothy 1:9: the One having saved us and having called us with a Holy Calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace given to us in Christ Jesus before eternal times,
2nd Timothy 1:10: but now revealed through the appearance of our Savior, Jesus Christ, indeed making death of no effect, bringing life and incorruptibility to light through the Gospel,
2nd Timothy 1:11: for which I was appointed a herald and Apostle and a teacher of nations.Romans 1:16: For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek;
Romans 1:17: for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from Faith to Faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by Faith." (See Habakkuk 2:4)
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John 3:1: But there was a man from the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a Ruler of the Jews.
John 3:2: This one came to Jesus by night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know that You have come as a Teacher from God. For no one is able to do these miraculous signs which You do, except God be with Him.
John 3:3: Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not Generated (Born) from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God.
John 3:4: Nicodemus said to Him, How is a man able to be generated (born), being old? He is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born?
John 3:5: Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not Generated (Born) out of Water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the Kingdom of God.
John 3:6: That having been generated (born) out of the flesh is flesh, and that having been Generated (Born) out of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7: Do not wonder because I said to you, You must be Generated (Born) from above.
John 3:8: The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone having been Generated (Born) from the Spirit.
John 3:9: Nicodemus answered and said to Him, How are these things able to occur?
John 3:10: Jesus answered and said to him, You are the Teacher of Israel, and you do not know these things?
John 3:11: Truly, truly, I say to you, That which we know, we speak; and that which we have seen, we testify. And you do not receive our Testimony.
John 3:12: If I tell you Earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you Heavenly things?
John 3:13: And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven.
John 3:14: And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
John 3:15: that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17: For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 3:18: The one believing into Him is not condemned; but the one not believing has already been condemned, for he has not believed into the Name of the Only Begotten Son of God.
John 3:19: And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil.
John 3:20: For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed.
John 3:21: But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.Matthew 20:28: Even as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His Life a Ransom for many.
Luke 24:44: And He said to them, These are the Words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that all the things must be fulfilled having been written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning Me.
Luke 24:45: Then He opened up their mind to understand the Scriptures,
Luke 24:46: and said to them, So it is written, and so the Christ must suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day.
Luke 24:47: And repentance and remission of sins must be preached on His Name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:48: And you are witnesses of these things.
Luke 24:49: And, behold, I send forth the Promise of My Father on you. But you sit in the City of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high.
Luke 24:50: He led them out as far as to Bethany. And lifting up His hands, He blessed them.
Luke 24:51: And it happened as He blessed them, He withdrew from them and was carried into Heaven.
Luke 24:52: And worshiping Him, they returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Luke 24:53: and were continually in the Temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.Acts 17:2: And according to Paul's custom, he went in to them and reasoned with them from the Scriptures on three Sabbaths,
Acts 17:3: opening and setting forth that the Christ must have suffered, and to have risen from the dead, and that this is the Christ, Jesus, whom I announce to you.Ephesians 5:2: and walk in love, even as Christ also loved us and gave Himself for us, an Offering and a Sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell.
1st Thessalonians 5:9: because God has not appointed us to wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
1st Thessalonians 5:10: He dying on our behalf, so that whether we watch or we sleep, we may live together with Him.JESUS CHRIST'S SACRIFICE WAS VOLUNTARY:
Isaiah 53:12: Because of this I will divide to Him with the great, and with the strong He shall divide the spoil; because He poured out His Soul to death; and He was counted with those transgressing; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for those transgressing.
Matthew 26:53: Or do you think that I am not able now to call on My Father, and He will place beside Me more than twelve legions of angels?
John 10:17: For this reason My Father loves Me, because I lay down My Life, that I may take it again.
John 10:18: No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I received this Commandment from My Father.
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Hebrews 11:1: Now Faith is the essence of things being hoped, the evidence of things not having been seen.
John 1:12: But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His Name,
John 1:13: who were Born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were Born of God.John 10:27: My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
John 10:28: And I give eternal life to them, and they shall not perish to the age, never! And not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
John 10:29: My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of My Father's hand.
John 10:30: I and the Father are One!John 11:25: Jesus said to her, I am the Resurrection and the Life. The one believing into Me, though he die, he shall live.
John 11:26: And everyone living and believing into Me shall not die to the age, never! Do you believe this?
John 11:27: She said to Him, Yes, Lord, I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God who comes into the world.John 12:44: But Jesus cried out and said, The one believing into Me does not believe into Me, but into the One sending Me.
John 12:45 And the one seeing Me sees the One who sent Me.
John 12:46: I have come as a Light to the world, that everyone who believes into Me may not remain in the darkness.
John 12:47: And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
John 12:48: The one who rejects Me and does not receive My Words has that judging him: the Word which I spoke, that will judge him in the last Day.
John 12:49: For I did not speak from Myself, but He who sent Me, the Father, He has given Me Command, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50: And I know that His Command is everlasting life. Then what things I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.Galatians 3:22: But the Scripture locked up all under sin, that the promise by Faith of Jesus Christ might be given to the ones believing.
Galatians 3:23: But before the coming of Faith, we were guarded under Law, having been locked up to the Faith being about to be revealed.
Galatians 3:24: So that the Law has become a trainer of us until Christ, that we might be justified by Faith.
Galatians 3:25: But Faith coming, we are no longer under a trainer;
Galatians 3:26: for you are all sons of God through Faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27: For as many as were Baptized into Christ, you put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28: There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there is no slave nor freeman, there is no male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29: And if you are of Christ, then you are a seed of Abraham, even heirs according to promise.Acts 16:30: And leading them outside, he said, Sirs, what must I do that I may be saved?
Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.Acts 2:36: Then assuredly, let all the house of Israel acknowledge that God made Him both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus whom you crucified.
Acts 2:37: And hearing, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the Apostles, Men, brothers, What shall we do?
Acts 2:38: And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you on the Name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:39: For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40: And with many other Words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.Acts 4:12: and there is salvation in no other One, for neither is there any other name under Heaven having been given among men by which we must be saved.
Acts 13:39: And everyone believing in this One is justified from all things which you could not be justified by the Law of Moses.
Acts 8:35: And opening his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture, Philip announced the Gospel of Jesus to him.
Acts 8:36: And as they were going along the highway they came on some water. And the eunuch said, Behold, water! What prevents me to be Baptized?
Acts 8:37: And Philip said, If you believe from all the heart, it is lawful. And answering he said, I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God.
Acts 8:38: And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he Baptized him.Acts 15:9: And He made distinction in nothing between both us and them, having purified their hearts by Faith.
Acts 26:18: to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the authority of Satan to God, in order that they may receive remission of sins, and an inheritance among those being sanctified by Faith in Me.
Romans 5:1: Then being justified by Faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Romans 5:2: through whom also we have had access by Faith into this grace in which we stand, and we glory on the hope of the Glory of God.
Romans 5:3: And not only so, but we glory also in afflictions, knowing that affliction works out patience,
Romans 5:4: and patience works out proven character; and proven character, hope.
Romans 5:5: And the hope does not put us to shame, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us;
Romans 5:6: for we yet being without strength, in due time Christ died for ungodly ones.
Romans 5:7: For with difficulty one will die for a just one, (for perhaps one even dares to die for the sake of the good one),
Romans 5:8: but God commends His love to us in this, that we being yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:9: Much more then, being justified now by His Blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through Him.
Romans 5:10: For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His Life;
Romans 5:11: and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.
Romans 5:12: Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned.
Romans 5:13: For sin was in the world until Law, but sin is not charged where there is no law;
Romans 5:14: but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One.
Romans 5:15: But the free gift is not also like the deviation. For if by the deviation of the one the many died, much more the grace of God, and the gift in grace, which is of the one Man, Jesus Christ, did abound to the many.
Romans 5:16: And the gift is not as by one having sinned; for indeed the judgment was of one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many deviations to justification.
Romans 5:17: For if by the deviation of the one death reigned through the one, much more those who are receiving the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall rule in life by the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:18: So then, as through one deviation it was toward all men to condemnation, so also through one righteous act toward all men to justification of life.
Romans 5:19: For as through the one man's disobedience the many were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many shall be constituted righteous.
Romans 5:20: But Law came in besides, that the deviation might abound. But where sin abounded, grace much more abounded,
Romans 5:21: that as sin ruled in death, so also grace might rule through righteousness to everlasting life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.Romans 6:4: Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the Glory of the Father, so also we should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5: For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, so also shall we be in the resurrection,
Romans 6:6: knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be nullified, so that we no longer serve sin.
Romans 6:7: For the one that died has been justified from sin.
Romans 6:8: But if we died with Christ, we believe that also we shall live with Him,
Romans 6:9: knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death no longer lords it over Him.
Romans 6:10: For in that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 6:11: So also you count yourselves to be truly dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.Romans 10:4: For Christ is the End of Law for righteousness to everyone that believes.
Romans 10:5: For Moses writes of the righteousness which is of the Law: "The man doing these things shall live by them." (See Leviticus 18:5)
Romans 10:6: But the righteousness of Faith says this: "Do not say in your heart, Who will go up into Heaven?" (that is, to bring down Christ);
Romans 10:7: or, "Who will go down into the abyss?" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)
Romans 10:8: But what does it say? "The Word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim) (See Deuteronomy 30:12-14).
Romans 10:9: Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10: For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
Romans 10:11: For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him will not be put to shame." (See Isaiah 28:16)
Romans 10:12: For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord of all is rich toward all the ones calling on Him.
Romans 10:13: For everyone, "whoever may call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
(See Joel 2:32)
Romans 10:14: How then may they call on One into whom they have not believed? And how may they believe One of whom they have not heard? And how may they hear without preaching?
Romans 10:15: And how may they preach if they are not sent? Even as it has been written, "How beautiful" "the feet of those preaching the Gospel of Peace, of those preaching the Gospel of Good Things." (See Isaiah 52:7)
Romans 10:16: But not all obeyed the Gospel, for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" (See Isaiah 53:1)
Romans 10:17: Then Faith is of hearing, and hearing through the Word of God.
Romans 10:18: But I say, Did they not hear? Yes, rather, "into all the Earth their voice went out, and to the ends of the world their words." (See LXX-Psalm 18:5 and MT-Psalm 19:4)Galatians 1:3: Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
Galatians 1:4: who gave Himself for our sins, so that He might deliver us out of the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Galatians 1:5: to whom be the glory to the ages of the ages. Amen.
Galatians 1:6: I wonder that you are so quickly turning back from the One having called you by the grace of Christ to another gospel,
Galatians 1:7: which is not another; only there are some troubling you, even determined to pervert the Gospel of Christ.
Galatians 1:8: But even if we, or an angel out of Heaven, should preach a gospel to you beside the Gospel we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9: As we have said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel beside what you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:10: For do I now persuade men or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I would not be a slave of Christ.
Galatians 1:11: And, brothers, I make known to you the Gospel preached by me, that it is not according to man.
Galatians 1:12: For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but by a Revelation of Jesus Christ.1st John 3:16: By this we have known the love of God, because that One laid down His life for us; and on behalf of the brothers we ought to lay down our lives.
1st John 4:9: By this the love of God was revealed in us, because His Son, the Only Begotten, God has sent into the world that we might live through Him.
1st John 4:10: In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be a Propitiation relating to our sins.
1st John 4:11: Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.Colossians 2:6: Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in Him,
Colossians 2:7: being rooted and being built up in Him, and being confirmed in the Faith, even as you were taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
Colossians 2:8: Watch that there not be one robbing you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.
Colossians 2:9: For in Him dwells all the Fullness of the Godhead (Deity) Bodily;
Colossians 2:10: and having been filled, you are in Him, who is the Head of all rule and authority,
Colossians 2:11: in whom also you were circumcised with a circumcision not made by hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Colossians 2:12: being buried with Him in Baptism, in whom also you were raised through the Faith of the working of God, raising Him from among the dead.
Colossians 2:13: And you, being dead in the deviations and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all the deviations,
Colossians 2:14: blotting out the handwriting in the ordinances against us, which was contrary to us, even He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the Cross;
Colossians 2:15: having stripped the rulers and the authorities, He made a show of them in public, triumphing over them in it.
Colossians 2:16: Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of Sabbaths,
Colossians 2:17: which are a shadow of coming things, but the Body is of Christ.
Colossians 2:18: Let no one condemn you, delighting in humility and worship of the angels, pushing into things which he has not seen, being puffed up by the mind of his flesh without cause,
Colossians 2:19: and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body having been supplied through the joints and bands, and being joined together, will grow with the growth of God.
Colossians 2:20: If, then, you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why are you under its decrees, as living in the world?
Colossians 2:21: Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch,
Colossians 2:22: which things are all for corruption in the using, according to the "injunctions and teachings of men." (See Isaiah 29:13)
Colossians 2:23: Which things indeed appear to be a matter of having wisdom in self-imposed worship and humility, and severity in abuse of the body, but are not of any value with regards to gratification of the flesh.Hebrews 2:2: For if the Word spoken by angels was confirmed, and every transgression and disobedience received a just repayment;
Hebrews 2:3: how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? Which having received a beginning to be spoken through the Lord, was confirmed to us by the ones hearing,
Hebrews 2:4: God bearing witness with them by both miraculous signs and wonders, and by various works of power, even by distribution of the Holy Spirit, according to His Will.Hebrews 2:14: Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might cause to cease the one having the power of death, that is, the Devil;
Hebrews 2:15: and might set these free, as many as by fear of death were subject to slavery through all the lifetime to live.John 6:35: Jesus said to them, I am the Bread of Life; the one coming to Me will not at all hunger, and the one believing into Me will not thirst, never!
John 6:36: But I said to you that you also have seen Me and did not believe.
John 6:37: All that the Father gives to Me shall come to Me, and the one coming to Me I will in no way cast out.
John 6:38: For I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should do My Will, but the Will of Him who sent Me.
John 6:39: And this is the Will of the Father sending Me, that of all that He has given Me, I shall not lose any of it, but shall raise it up in the last day.
John 6:40: And this is the Will of the One sending Me, that everyone seeing the Son and believing into Him should have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.John 6:44: No one is able to come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.
John 6:45: It has been written in the Prophets, They "shall" all "be taught of God." So then everyone who hears and learns from the Father comes to Me; (See Isaiah 54:13)
John 6:46: not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One being from God, He has seen the Father.
John 6:47: Truly, truly, I say to you, The one believing into Me has everlasting life.
John 6:48: I am the Bread of Life.
John 6:49: Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness and died.
John 6:50: This is the Bread coming down out of Heaven, that anyone may eat of it and not die.
John 6:51: I am the Living Bread that came down from Heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he will live forever. And indeed the Bread which I will give is My Flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:52: Then the Jews argued with one another, saying, How can this One give us His Flesh to eat?
John 6:53: Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, you do not have life in yourselves.
John 6:54: The one partaking of My Flesh and drinking of My Blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55: For My Flesh is truly Food, and My Blood is truly Drink.
John 6:56: The one partaking of My Flesh and drinking of My Blood abides in Me, and I in him.
John 6:57: Even as the Living Father sent Me, and I live through the Father; also the one partaking Me, even that one will live through Me.
John 6:58: This is the Bread which came down out of Heaven, not as your fathers ate the manna and died; the one partaking of this Bread will live forever.Ephesians 3:14: For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 3:15: of whom every family in Heaven and on Earth is named,
Ephesians 3:16: that He may give you, according to the riches of His Glory, by His power to become mighty in the inward man through His Spirit,
Ephesians 3:17: that through Faith Christ may dwell in your hearts, having been rooted and founded in love,
Ephesians 3:18: that you may be given strength to grasp, with all the Saints, what is the breadth and length and depth and height,
Ephesians 3:19: and to know the surpassing knowledge and love of Christ, that you may be filled to all the Fullness of God.Hebrews 11:6: But without Faith it is impossible to please God. For it is right that the one drawing near to God should believe that He is, and that He becomes a Rewarder to the ones seeking Him out.
1st John 5:1: Everyone believing that Jesus is the Christ has been Generated (Born) from God. And everyone who loves Him who begets also loves the one who has been Born of Him.
1st John 5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His Commandments.
1st John 5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep His Commandments; and His Commandments are not heavy.
1st John 5:4: Because everything having been Born of God overcomes the world, and this is the victory overcoming the world, our Faith.
1st John 5:5: Who is the one overcoming the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1st John 5:6: This is the One coming through Water and Blood, Jesus Christ; not by the Water only, but by the Water and the Blood. And the Spirit is the One witnessing, because the Spirit is the Truth.
1st John 5:7: For there are Three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these Three are One.
1st John 5:8: And there are Three who bear witness on the Earth: The Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood; and the Three are to the One.
1st John 5:9: If we receive the witness of men, the Witness of God is greater; because this is the Witness of God which He has witnessed about His Son:
1st John 5:10: The one believing in the Son of God has the Witness in himself. The one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the Witness which God has witnessed concerning His Son.
1st John 5:11: And this is the Witness: that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son.
1st John 5:12: The one having the Son has life. The one not having the Son of God does not have life.
1st John 5:13: I wrote these things to you, the ones believing in the Name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have everlasting life, and that you may believe in the Name of the Son of God.
1st John 5:14: And this is the confidence we have toward Him, that if we ask anything according to His Will, He hears us.
1st John 5:15: And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.1st John 5:18: We know that everyone being Generated (Born) from God does not sin, but the one having been Generated (Born) from God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1st John 5:19: We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the evil.
1st John 5:20: And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the True One, and we are in the True One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the True God and the Life Everlasting.Romans 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit.
Romans 8:2: For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NO AMOUNT OF "GOOD WORKS" CAN SAVE YOU, BUT YOU CAN ONLY BE SAVED BY GOD'S GRACE AND THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR:
John 6:28: Then they said to Him, What may we do that we may work the works of God?
John 6:29: Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe into Him whom that One sent.Romans 11:6: But if by grace, no longer is it of works; else grace no longer becomes grace. But if of works, it is no longer grace; else work is no longer work.
Ephesians 2:8: For by grace you are saved, through Faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Ephesians 2:9: not of works, that not anyone should boast;
Ephesians 2:10: for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God before prepared that we should walk in them.2nd Timothy 1:9: the One having saved us and having called us with a Holy Calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace given to us in Christ Jesus before eternal times
Titus 3:4: But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
Titus 3:5: not by works in righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, He saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:6: whom He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ, our Savior;
Titus 3:7: that being justified by His grace, we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.Galatians 2:16: knowing that a man is not justified by works of Law, but that it is through Faith in Jesus Christ (we also believed into Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by Faith in Christ and not by works of Law, because all flesh will not be justified by works of Law). (See Psalm 123:2)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WHAT IS THE REWARD OF THOSE WHO ARE SAVED?
Matthew 5:12: Rejoice and leap for joy, for your reward is great in Heaven; for in this way they persecuted the Prophets who were before you.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, He according to His great mercy having regenerated us to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in Heaven for youGenesis 5:22: And Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he fathered Methuselah. And he fathered sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:23: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty five years.
Genesis 5:24: And Enoch walked with God. Then he was not, for God took him.Hebrews 11:5: By Faith "Enoch" was translated so as not to see death, and "was not found, because God translated him." For before his translation, he had obtained witness to have been pleasing to God. (See Genesis 5:24)
2nd Kings 2:11: And it happened, as they were going on and speaking, behold, a Chariot of Fire and Horses of Fire came. And they separated between them both, and Elijah went up in a tempest to Heaven.
Luke 23:42: And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come in Your Kingdom.
Luke 23:43: And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you will be with Me in Paradise.Luke 16:20: And there was a certain poor one named Lazarus who had been laid at his doorway, having been ulcerated,
Luke 16:21: and longing to be filled from the crumbs that were falling from the table of the rich one. But coming, even the dogs licked his sores.
Luke 16:22: And it happened, the poor one died and was carried away by the angels into the Bosom of Abraham. And the rich one also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23: And being in torments in Hell, lifting up his eyes, he sees Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his Bosom.Matthew 8:11: But I say to you that many will come from east and west, and will recline with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven
2nd Corinthians 5:1: For we know that if our Earthly house of this tabernacle is taken down, we have a Building from God, a House not made with hands, eternal in Heaven.
2nd Corinthians 5:2: For also in this we groan, greatly desiring to be clothed with our dwelling place out of HeavenJohn 14:1: Do not let your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
John 14:2: In My Father's House are many Dwelling Places. But if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a Place for you!
John 14:3: And if I go and prepare a Place for you, I am Coming again and will receive you to Myself, that where I am you may be also.1st Thessalonians 4:13: But I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning those who sleep, that you not grieve, as the rest also, not having hope.
1st Thessalonians 4:14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
1st Thessalonians 4:15: For we say this to you in the Word of the Lord, that we the living who remain to the Coming of the Lord will not at all go before those who have fallen asleep.
1st Thessalonians 4:16: Because the Lord Himself shall Come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice, and with God's trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first.
1st Thessalonians 4:17: Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
1st Thessalonians 4:18: So, then, comfort each other with these Words.
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How do JW's define god in reference to Jesus?
by pseudoxristos inin a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.
i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.
i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.
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That was a Great Post gold_morning!
Here is a Thread with Scriptures that show that Jesus Christ was the Alpha and the Omega, and that He was worshiped, and that He was prayed to, and that He knows all things, and that He is called Jehovah (Yahweh), and that He is called God Almighty:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36024&site=3
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Barb Anderson Photo & Article in Nash. Tenn...
by Littlebit infriday, 09/06/02 | middle tennessee news & information
couple to protest jehovah's witnesses
bill steber / staff .
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You may want to try also E-Mailing http://www.WORLDNETDAILY.com
I think they were all over the Catholics with their wicked Pedophile Policies, so they might want to do some silentlambs stories.
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Press Conference Release-distribute freely
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I want to say Thank You again to you Bill and to all of the silentlambs.
For anyone who is interested, here is a Link to a Thread where everyone can see almost ALL of the News Stories about the silentlambs:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35836&site=3
All of the Press Conferences sound like they were amazing!
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JESUS CHRIST -- I AM WHO I AM
by UnDisfellowshipped in(exodus 3:13) and moses said to god, behold, when i come to the children of israel, and shall say to them, the god of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
(exodus 3:14) and god said to moses, i am who i am: and he said, thus you shall say to the children of israel, i am has sent me to you.. (exodus 3:15) and god said moreover to moses, thus you shall say to the children of israel, jehovah the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.. (john 8:24) i said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you do not believe that i am, you shall die in your sins.. (john 8:28) then jesus said to them, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you shall know that i am, and that i do nothing of myself; but as my father has taught me, i speak these things.. (john 8:53) are you greater than our father abraham, who is dead?
and the prophets are dead: who do you make yourself?.
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Thanks again for your comments, here is a Link to the "ALPHA AND OMEGA" Thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36024&site=3
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THE SILENTLAMBS - QUEST TO PROTECT CHILDREN
by UnDisfellowshipped inhere's john larson.. john larson (dateline reporter) reporting:.
but bill bowen says many others in the church accused of sexual abuse have never been reported to police.
america's most watched, most honored news magazine, dateline, will be right back.. announcer speaking: from our studios in rockefeller center, here is stone phillips.. stone phillips speaking: she was just 5 years old when she says she was first molested by a respected member of her jehovah's witnesses congregation.
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Here is a Link to another Awesome News Article by Michael Morris (mikepence) and Barbara Anderson:
http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/2002/09/04.html
BELOW ARE MORE SILENTLAMBS NEWS STORIES ABOUT THE PRESS CONFERENCES AND THE MARCH!!!
WKRN Nashville, Tennessee News Channel 2 - September 5th 2002:
Sexual Abuse Allegations Within Jehovah's Witness Denomination
Reporter: Wisdom Martin
There are new allegations that a religious denomination is turning a blind eye to sexual abuse. This time, it is the Jehovah's Witnesses who stand accused.
"For me, it took away any concept of trust in religious figures, authority figures, and parental figures."
The woman who spoke to News 2 does not wish to be identified. She is a former Jehovah's Witness who claims she was abused when she was just 8-years-old by a congregation member. But when she spoke out, she said nothing was done. The women said she was also abused by a member of her congregation.
"They act like they are the law, they can take care of it. Something like this, it's abuse, and they shouldn't be the ones taking care of it."
Now, women like Barbara Anderson are ready to fight for change in their religion, so they've formed a victim's rights group called Silent Lambs. They believe the Jehovah's Witness sexual abuse polices are inadequate and harm children.
"We believe they are responsible for policies that make it possible for perverted people to come into this organization to get at Jehovah's witness children," Barbara said.
"We should of all persons, being Christians going by the Bible, we should do the right thing for these abuse victims," said Joe Anderson.
Joe Anderson was a Jehovah's Witness elder for over 50 years.
"In the organization, you have to have two witnesses, and of course it's almost impossible to have two witnesses to a child molestation. So if a parent comes with their daughter to the elder, they ask and he says, no, I didn't do it, then that's the end of the matter."
"I would like to see them recognize it, take it to the civil authorities and professionals that are capable and qualified to help the victims."
News 2 contacted the Jehovah's Witness national office in New York, but they did not return our calls. The Silent Lambs organization will hold a march to bring awareness to their cause September 27th in Brooklyn, New York.
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Former church members march in protest
People say they were molested as a child by a Jehovah's Witness
By James Lewis
Sex and religion make for a potent mix. And Thursday, some Jehovah's Witnesses are being targeted by former members about charges of child sexual abuse. They claim elders are covering it up. The worst part is that women say it's been going on for years.
The best part is that it is now public, and they have hope that the problem may be addressed publicly by Jehovah's Witnesses. At the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall in Antioch, former member Barbara Anderson left a small stuffed lamb. It's her symbol of innocence lost. As a writer for the organization in New York, Anderson says she discovered multiple charges of sexual abuse being hushed up.
"They're kind of isolated in their ivory tower and they do believe that all the world is controlled by Satan, that theirs is God's organization. They can make the rules," said Barbara Anderson.
Nationwide Thursday in 16 major cities, demonstrations like this called for change within the religious organization.
"It was from another member who was there," said "Lisa", who was abused when she was young.
Lisa, not her real name, says as a 9-year-old child she was molested by a Jehovah's Witness. Despite telling the church - no one within the organization reported it to police.
"Now that you're an adult, Lisa, what would you like to say to your attacker?" asked Channel 4 Reporter James Lewis.
"I really feel sorry for him because as an adult I feel sorry that he has went through them because of his own way of trying to cover it up," said "Lisa".
Former member Joe Anderson grieves for his former friends, but he sees hope that recent exposures will correct some wrongs.
"Something is going to be done about it. And something has been done about it to a certain degree. But certainly more needs to be done but yeah I am happy to see them coming out with this," said Joe Anderson.
Channel 4 News attempted to contact the presiding elders at the Jehovah's Witnesses, but none of them returned our calls.
For more information about this cause, visit the Silent Lambs Web Site.
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Couple to protest Jehovah's Witnesses
By LEON ALLIGOOD, Staff Writer
(Photo of Barbara Anderson by BILL STEBER / STAFF)
Barbara Anderson, a former Jehovah's Witness, places a toy lamb on the front doors of the Kingdom Hall on Bell Road as part of a national protest by ex-Witnesses who say the denomination has covered up child sexual abuse by members.
Placing a symbolic stuffed lamb on the steps of a suburban Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall, a Coffee County couple yesterday said they will help lead a protest march Sept. 27 at the headquarters of the denomination in Brooklyn, N.Y.
''We are going to let the whole nation know what is going on behind closed doors. There is a massive coverup under way, and we're not going to stand for it,'' said Barbara Anderson of Manchester, Tenn.
Anderson and her husband, Joe, made the announcement yesterday at a Kingdom Hall on Bell Road. The Coffee County couple have received national attention since May for questioning how Jehovah's Witnesses have responded to allegations of child sexual abuse.
Yesterday's news conference was one of 16 held in major cities across the country to announce the Sept. 27 march, which is expected to attract a hundred or more supporters. The meetings were arranged by ''Silentlambs,'' a support group for Jehovah's Witnesses who say they have been abuse victims.
The Andersons have been disfellowshipped by the Kingdom Hall in Tullahoma, Tenn., where they attended. Disfellowshipping, the equivalent of excommunication, is the harshest punishment handed down by the organization against members. Shunning is included as part of the punishment, which separates families.
''You just can't imagine what this has been like for us. We can't see our grandchild any more. Our son and daughter-in-law won't allow it,'' Joe Anderson said.
Attending the Nashville news conference yesterday were two local women who said they were abused as girls by members of their respective Kingdom Halls.
''We're speaking out now, as young women in our 20s, because we realize that what happened to us was wrong and that we are not alone. There are many of us who are suffering,'' one woman said. The Tennessean does not reveal identities of reported victims of sex crimes without consent.
A spokesman for the New York-based Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the umbrella organization that is headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, said they were aware of the planned march later this month.
''But we won't issue a statement until that day,'' said a man who answered the phone in the press office at Watchtower headquarters. He asked that any statements be attributed to the organization's spokesman, J.R. Brown.
Leon Alligood covers Tennessee for The Tennessean. Contact him at (615) 259-8279 or by e-mail at [email protected].
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Courier-Journal Newspaper - September 6th 2002:
Group to march for molested children
Jehovah's Witnesses want church to alter its policy, apologize
By Darla Carter, [email protected]
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/09/06/ke090602s271650.htm
William H. Bowen of silentlambs, a group for abuse victims in the Jehovah's Witnesses church, left a stuffed lamb and a flier at Kingdom Hall on Lower River Road protesting church policies.
Stuffed lambs, here at Kingdom Hall in southern Jefferson County, were left at Jehovah's Witnesses churches across the country yesterday.
PHOTOS BY MICHAEL HAYMAN
An event being billed as the first national march for victims of child molestation within the Jehovah's Witnesses church was announced yesterday in Louisville and other cities around the country.
Silentlambs, a victims' support group, will hold the march at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., on Sept. 27, said William H. Bowen of Benton, Ky., cofounder of the group.
''Abuse survivors and supporters will come from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership . . . know we will no longer be ignored,'' Bowen said in a statement.
He left a pink stuffed animal in the shape of a lamb on the door of a Jehovah's Witnesses church in southern Jefferson County as a symbol of victims everywhere that his group says have been silenced by church policy. The gesture was repeated in every city where the march was announced, from Los Angeles to Orlando, Fla.
Bowen, a former elder who was recently ''disfellowshipped,'' or excommunicated, for causing divisions in the church, alleges that Jehovah's Witnesses keep incidents of child molestation secret, won't allow victims to warn other members of abusers in their congregations, and require alleged victims to produce a witness. Those who speak out are cut off from the church and shunned, he said.
''The Jehovah's Witnesses leadership (Governing Body) must change their policy and must apologize to the victims whose lives their policies have destroyed,'' Bowen said in the statement. ''On September 27th we arrive in good faith to make testimony to the public and testify before Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body to give closure to victims and protect our children.''
Bowen, who helped found silentlambs in spring 2001, said his group has been contacted by 5,000 alleged victims, many of whom have said, ''I thought I was all alone.'' The group, which has a hot line and a Web site -- (877) 982-2873 and www.silentlambs.org -- provides emotional support, advice and a sense that someone believes them, Bowen said.
J.R. Brown, the director of the media office at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters, declined to comment through an employee who would not give his name.
In the past, officials with the Jehovah's Witnesses have said they abhor child molestation, report cases to authorities in states that require such reports and allow members to report fellow members to police.
Bowen said he plans to push for legislation in Kentucky that would require clergy to report alleged abuse to police.
''I would like for every single child molester in the church to be turned in,'' he said.
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'Silentlambs' speak out about sex abuse
By Christine Clarridge, Seattle Times staff reporter
Several former Jehovah's Witnesses stood outside a Kingdom Hall church near Green Lake yesterday with a tiny toy lamb whose mouth was covered with black electrician's tape.
The symbolically silenced lamb delivered to the door of the fellowship hall represented the 5,000 members of the 6 million-member church who claim to have been sexually abused by leaders or others in the church. They further claim to have been silenced or ignored when they sought the church's guidance and protection.
The news conference was one of about 16 across the country called to bring attention to "silentlambs," an organization planning a march on church headquarters in New York on Sept. 27.
Started by a former church member who said he was dismayed by the way the church covered up allegations of abuse, silentlambs is calling for changes in church policies.
"We want to open the doors, " said Bruce Baker, a former Jehovah's Witness leader in Oregon. "We want Watchtower headquarters to turn cases of abuse within the church over to the police and let the police handle it.''
National church leaders could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman recently told The New York Times that the church's policies on sexual abuse were based on the Bible and were exemplary.
"We're not trying to say we handled everybody in the right way and our elders are all-knowing, all-perfect. But we say, if you take what our policy is for keeping our organization clean morally, it far outpaces anybody else's," spokesman J.R. Brown said.
Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian denomination that emphasizes biblical literalism and the imminent end of the world. Members are best-known in the secular world for giving out religious tracts and for not celebrating holidays and birthdays or allowing blood transfusions.
Former members said the church's policies and culture conspire to conceal abuse.
The small group of activists in Seattle included several ex-church members who have been "disfellowshipped" or excommunicated, as well as one woman who claimed the church did nothing to protect her and her sister when they came forward with claims of abuse.
She said she went to her church leaders to ask for help because her stepfather, who had also sexually abused her, was abusing her younger sister.
Her stepfather, who has since been disfellowshipped by the church, never paid a legal price for what she said were years of abuse.
The scope of abuse within the denomination is a matter of debate. The church has recently been sued by eight people in four lawsuits around the country including one filed in Spokane alleging abuse.
According to Bill Bowen, founder of silentlambs, there have been more than 5,000 current or former members nationwide who say that the church mishandled allegations of child sexual abuse.
Christine Clarridge: 206-464-8983 or [email protected].
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tucson, Arizona News - September 6th 2002:
WE'VE BEEN HEARING THE PAST FEW MONTHS ABOUT CONCERNS OVER COVER-UPS OF CHILD MOLESTATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
TODAY, MEMBERS OF ANOTHER RELIGION ARE COMING FORWARD WITH SIMILAR ALLEGATIONS. THEY TALKED TO US DURING A DEMONSTRATION AT ONE OF SEVERAL JEHOVAH'S WITNESS KINGDOM HALLS NATIONWIDE
KINDRA HAS BEEN A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS FOR DECADES. SHE SAYS AS A CHILD, A FAMILY MEMBER MOLESTED HER. SHE TOLD HER PARENTS, AND HER PARENTS WENT TO THE ELDERS AT THEIR KINGDOM HALL. SHE SAYS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE TOLD NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE WITH ACCUSATIONS AGAINST A FELLOW MEMBER.
"I was told not to do that I was supposed to leave it in the elders hands that they would pray and they did prayer when I was there and that Jehovah would take care of it, and it kept happening, so as a child you only do what you're told."
TODAY, KINDRA AND ANOTHER JEHOVAH'S WITNESS CAME TO THE KINGDOM HALL AT 29TH AND ROSEMONT TO DELIVER A SYMBOLIC LAMB - REPRESENTING THE MANY CHILDREN THEY SAY ARE SILENCED BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS POLICY. THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN NEARLY A DOZEN CITIES NATIONWIDE.
"I have nothing against the religion - I still want to attend. I want to do this for the children and change policies so that someone doesn't have to go through what I went through."
JOHN BROWN SAYS THE RELIGION FORBIDS PUNISHMENT OF AN ACCUSED MOLESTER WHO DENIES ALLEGATIONS UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER EYEWITNESS TO THE ABUSE.
"But there never is unless somebody walks in on accident, a parent, while the perpetrator is committing the act."
THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REPRESENTATIVES WE TALKED TO DID NOT WANT TO GO ON CAMERA. BUT ONE TOLD US THE ALLEGATIONS ARE RIDICULOUS. HE SAYS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE ONE OF THE MOST LAW-ABIDING GROUPS IN THE WORLD. HE ALSO MAINTAINS THEY DO NOT HAVE A POLICY OF SILENCING VICTIMS.
KINDRA AND JOHN TELL US THEY CAN BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED, WHICH IS LIKE BEING EXCOMMUNICATED, FOR SPEAKING OUT - BUT THEY THINK IT'S WORTH IT. THEY ANNOUNCED A MARCH FOR VICTIMS, COMING UP SEPTEMBER 27TH IN BROOKLYN, NY, WHERE THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS HEADQUARTERS IS LOCATED.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Seattle, Washington News - September 6th 2002:
New Allegations Of A Church Keeping Quiet About Child Sexual Abuse
By Tracy Vedder
http://www.komotv.com/stories/20208.htm
There are new allegations of a Church keeping quiet about child sexual abuse. But this time, it's a different church -- the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Members from and across the country are beginning a campaign to put pressure on Church elders to change.
They call themselves silent lambs -- Jehovah's Witnesses who say they were sexually molested and then forced by Church elders to keep silent.
"Both my sister and I were abused by my stepfather," says Betty, who only wants us to use her first name.
Jehovah's Witnesses require two witnesses to any alleged crime or sin. So as a child, Betty never told anyone. She kept quiet until she found out her little sister was also being molested.
"I knew that if I didn't speak up, nobody was going to help her," says Betty. "I kept having nightmares that she was being molested and I couldn't move, I couldn't help her so I had to do something."
But Betty says when she told church elders she was going to the police, they forced her to stay silent. Although that incident took place in another state, she says now that she is talking about it here in western , she will be kicked out and shunned by her friends and family.
"And it hurts," sobs Betty, "because I really believed in it."
Members of the Ravenna Kingdom Hall, where members of Silent Lambs gathered to protest, did not return phone calls. The Jehovah's Witnesses' headquarters says it is reviewing the situation. A spokesman referred us to their Web site, which says it is a victim's right to report abuse to police.
But former elder Bruce Baker says church attorneys pressured him not to report child molestation. He is now part of a national movement trying to force Jehovah's Witnesses to change.
"They basically, in a sense, have protected pedophiles within the group," says Baker. He says Jehovah's Witnesses simply excommunicate members who have molested, rather than turning them over to police and, he says, "they continue to molest children. They should have been reported years ago and they weren't."
The Silent Lambs group hopes Jehovah's Witnesses will take a lesson from the Catholic Church and deal with the issue of sexual abuse openly.
Silent Lambs announced plans Thursday for a nationwide march on Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters to protest policies on child rape cases. The march is scheduled for Sept. 27 in Brooklyn, NY.
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JESUS CHRIST -- I AM WHO I AM
by UnDisfellowshipped in(exodus 3:13) and moses said to god, behold, when i come to the children of israel, and shall say to them, the god of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?
(exodus 3:14) and god said to moses, i am who i am: and he said, thus you shall say to the children of israel, i am has sent me to you.. (exodus 3:15) and god said moreover to moses, thus you shall say to the children of israel, jehovah the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.. (john 8:24) i said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you do not believe that i am, you shall die in your sins.. (john 8:28) then jesus said to them, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you shall know that i am, and that i do nothing of myself; but as my father has taught me, i speak these things.. (john 8:53) are you greater than our father abraham, who is dead?
and the prophets are dead: who do you make yourself?.
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I'm sorry, I should have clarified the part of the Scripture I was curious about.
Isaiah 44:6: Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel, AND His Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts: I am the First, and I am the Last; and besides Me there is no God.
The way I had interpreted it, it sounded like there were TWO Yahwehs being mentioned in this Scripture: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel, AND His Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts".
So, I was thinking that Yahweh, the King of Israel, was The Father, and the Yahweh of Hosts the Redeemer was The Son.
I may not be reading this Scripture correctly, but it does sound like there are TWO Yahwehs mentioned.
I will be starting another Thread in a few minutes about JESUS CHRIST -- ALPHA AND OMEGA.
Thanks for your comments.
P.S. Is the part where it says "and his Redeemer" referring to Israel as the "his"?
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 5 September 2002 1:30:55