Posts by UnDisfellowshipped

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Those in a position to call Brooklyn

by hillary_step in

jw
friends

the allegations of sexual abuse against at least one child and subsequent attempts to cover over the crime made against theodore jarcacz are extremely serious.

they have of course, yet to be proved one way or the other and theo jaracz has the right of proper representation both outside and within the walls of the wt, and should be allowed to defend himself against these accusations.

many persons who have in the past been accused of 'gross sins' become victim of an investigation by elders.

UnDisfellowshipped

DB, I understand how you feel.

I don't go around and talk about Freemasons everywhere.

However, I have done a lot of research into the Freemasons, and their connections througout the different Religions and Corporations in the USA, and I think you would be surprised to find out just how many people are Freemasons.

And, just to clarify, when I say Freemasons, I'm not talking about your average "rank-and-file" Freemason, I am talking about the Elite Freemasons (for example, several U.S. Presidents, and other very important Government Officials have been and are Freemasons).

In my research I found out that 1 out of every 6 men are Freemasons (if not more).

Plus, if you do some research, you will find that Charles Taze Russell definitely had quite a bit of knowledge about Freemasonry, and from what I have learned, it seems that he was a Freemason.

I would never have believed all this about Freemasons, had I not had personal experiences dealing with some Freemasons (some of which are my relatives).

Here are a few interesting Links to Pages about Freemasonry, if anyone is interested:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm

http://www.ephesians5-11.org

I hope I have not come across as "Paranoid" or "a nut".

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Those in a position to call Brooklyn

by hillary_step in

jw
friends

the allegations of sexual abuse against at least one child and subsequent attempts to cover over the crime made against theodore jarcacz are extremely serious.

they have of course, yet to be proved one way or the other and theo jaracz has the right of proper representation both outside and within the walls of the wt, and should be allowed to defend himself against these accusations.

many persons who have in the past been accused of 'gross sins' become victim of an investigation by elders.

UnDisfellowshipped

I had not yet thought of that, DannyBear, that is a good scenario.

Also, the big shots at Bethel could also be Freemasons, which might explain why the Media is reluctant to publish anything, since the majority of the Media is controlled by Freemasons.

39

GOD LOVES YOU -- GOD IS LOVE!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

he who doesn't love his brother remains in death.

1st john 3:23: this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his son, jesus christ, and love one another, even as he commanded.. 1st john 3:24: he who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him.

UnDisfellowshipped

First of all, Thank You for your Post.

I am by no means an expert on the Bible.

I have read a lot of the New Testament, and some in the Old Testament.

I will try my best to answer your questions below, based on what I have learned from reading the Scriptures:

clash_city_rockers said:

do you believe in soverienty of God? That is do you believe that Almighty Jehovah God is soveriegn over every aspect of ones conversion?

Yes, the Father draws the people He chooses, to His Son Jesus Christ for Salvation, correct?

clash_city_rockers said:

Second Question what is God's attitude towreds sin and wickedness? Is God Holy and Just as well as mercyful?

God Almighty HATES SIN AND WICKEDNESS, but He loves people and wants them all to repent, believe in Jesus Christ, and be saved.
Yes, God Almighty is perfectly Holy and perfectly Just, as well as perfectly Merciful and Loving, as well as All-Knowing.
God cannot pardon a person's sin without that person putting Faith in Christ Jesus' Sacrifice.

clash_city_rockers said:

Have you worked out the issue of common grace for all and special saving grace for His elect?

Yes, God loves mankind in general, and wants them all to repent, and believe in the Jesus Christ, and be saved.
However, God truly blesses those elect ones He chooses.

clash_city_rockers said:

Would you be interested in discussing the most important topic in the bible which is the Doctrines of Grace?

Yes, I am very interested in discussing this extremely important topic with you.

clash_city_rockers said:

How a man or woman is saved completely by the grace of God and NOT OF HIS OWN DOING?

Yes, I agree with this. Absolutely no good works can get anyone saved.

However, I do have a few questions about this:

I know that God chooses who He gives His grace to, and draws them to Christ to be saved, but it is up to each individual's free will to decide whether to accept or reject this grace isn't it?

clash_city_rockers said:

To See if you understand, this basic question: At what point in redemptive history does wrath and justice collide with love and mercy?

When Jesus Christ, the Son of God, our Lord, Sacrificed Himself on the Cross, The Father imputed EVERY PERSON'S SINS on Jesus Christ, so that by Christ's Sacrifice, everyone who puts Faith in Christ, can have their sins forgiven and receive God's Love and Mercy and Grace, because God placed all their sins on Jesus Christ at the Cross.

clash_city_rockers said:

If you get this right then you get essential doctrines such as substatutionary atonement and justification by faith alone and the imputation of Christ's rightiousness.

I would love to discuss this more with you.

I send my Christian Love to you!

38

Those in a position to call Brooklyn

by hillary_step in

jw
friends

the allegations of sexual abuse against at least one child and subsequent attempts to cover over the crime made against theodore jarcacz are extremely serious.

they have of course, yet to be proved one way or the other and theo jaracz has the right of proper representation both outside and within the walls of the wt, and should be allowed to defend himself against these accusations.

many persons who have in the past been accused of 'gross sins' become victim of an investigation by elders.

UnDisfellowshipped

When my relatives called Bethel a few months ago to ask about their Pedophile Policy, the Bethelite on the Phone told them:

1. They must have 2 Eye-Witnesses, or else they will not do anything about the accused Pedophile.

2. If the victim, or the victim's parents try to warn anyone else in the Congregation, they could be Disfellowshipped for Slander against an "innocent man".

5

I Am Back!! Back to work--Local PR

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

if you attended the silentlambs march and wish to do something use the press release below to give to your local media and insert your name (where shown) and give your local account for an interview.

this is a great opportunity to get local papers to cover the story.

we had as you see 125 from 22 states, that could be a lot of press releases.

UnDisfellowshipped

I am very happy to hear that you (and all the silentlambs Marchers) got back safely!

Looks like a Great Press Release!

DJ said:

Hi Bill and WELCOME!!!!! There is a typo....Pierpont???
Also, If we did NOT attend the march are we also free to send these and insert a marcher's name with their permission? Just a thought.

That is my question also, I assume I could just substitute and put "Bill Bowen" as the contact name instead of my name? (since I, unfortunately, was not able to attend the March)

DJ said:

Perhaps you can shed some light for us here on the lowly board?? Have the police been notified in the various communties where these alleged child molesters live? It is very upsetting to think that some may attend the KH's here where my 7 little nieces and nephews still attend. The avg. JW thinks that this is a lie, if they have even heard anything about it at all. It's shrowed in so much secrecy by the elders.

Good questions.

Also, if anyone knows about any accused Pedophiles being in any Congregations in Mountain View, Arkansas (Thanks to Bill for letting me know about one accused Pedophile in Mountain View), or Oklahoma, it would be great if someone could let me know. (I have relatives in Congregations in those locations, some have small children)

DJ said:

PROUD of YOU, MR. BOWEN!! Just Doing what your supposed to do, I know. So few do it anymore though.

So very true!

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 30 September 2002 22:33:32

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Those in a position to call Brooklyn

by hillary_step in

jw
friends

the allegations of sexual abuse against at least one child and subsequent attempts to cover over the crime made against theodore jarcacz are extremely serious.

they have of course, yet to be proved one way or the other and theo jaracz has the right of proper representation both outside and within the walls of the wt, and should be allowed to defend himself against these accusations.

many persons who have in the past been accused of 'gross sins' become victim of an investigation by elders.

UnDisfellowshipped

Good Idea!

Here is a list of Bethel Phone Numbers that I put together about 2 months ago (they may have changed since then!):

718-560-5600 (Media Number) (Listed on the Official WTS Media Website)

718-560-5000 (Public Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

845-306-1100 (Patterson, New York Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

718-560-5101 (J.R. Brown, Watchtower's Main Spokesmans Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

1-866-388-2222 (Toll-Free Public Phone Number from their New TV Commercial) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

718-625-3600 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

516-481-2865 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

845-744-6000 (Bethel Farms) (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

973-696-6777 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

215-389-2923 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

718-560-5333 (Joel Gott's Number, the person who registered the Official Website's Domain Name) (From a Domain Name Registering Website)

17

Wait until you hear this

by jeannie in

jw
friends

i called info today and asked for the number for the wt in brooklyn...and sure enough..the info operator said they are no longer listed..she thought it was very strange since she gave out this number many times..and cynthia also told me they arent on the internet either....anyway this is me (cosurvivor) jeannie..i am pooped!!!

what a week...the march was great..the people wonderful...the new friendships amazing...larry thanks so much for the pix and for helping me get the permits...i had a great time at the hotel and didnt want to leave..i loved hooking up with ericka and her mom..laurie..cynthia..pat..sherry..and of course the anderson, pandellos and the bowens...received a call over the weekend while i was away..(left the day after the march) one of the supporters and mother of a survivor..was visited by the elders here in ny..i will have to call her tonight since she is working now..will let you all know what happened...to all the girls and ttboy..and others..i miss you all !!!

gutsy..we really hit it off didnt we?

UnDisfellowshipped

This is very interesting news! Thanks for posting it!

By the way, here is a list of Bethel Phone Numbers that I put together about 2 months ago (they may have changed since then!):

718-560-5600 (Media Number) (Listed on the Official WTS Media Website)

718-560-5000 (Public Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

845-306-1100 (Patterson, New York Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

718-560-5101 (J.R. Brown, Watchtower's Main Spokesmans Number) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

1-866-388-2222 (Toll-Free Public Phone Number from their New TV Commercial) (Listed on Official WTS Media Website)

718-625-3600 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

516-481-2865 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

845-744-6000 (Bethel Farms) (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

973-696-6777 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

215-389-2923 (From Yahoo Yellow Pages)

718-560-5333 (Joel Gott's Number, the person who registered the Official Website's Domain Name) (From a Domain Name Registering Website)

9

Where are the POLICE?

by DJ in

jw
friends

i just finished reading the transcript of the march, i am too overwhelmed to comment about it with a clear head.

i know that there are accusations against people.

so, where are the police?

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I agree with nancee park, I am sure that Bill is up to something HUGE!

13

WIRETAPPING

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

i have had some of strange and weird things happen (strange phone calls, and lots of other weird things, and certain "code words" used towards me), and i believe that there are certain freemasons (or other group), which has tried to use these subtle (and not-so-subtle) threats on me and my family.

(it may be connected to some of my relatives in another state, who may have abuse going on in their family, and we have had a lot of strange dealings with these relatives).. it seems to me, that i have also been wiretapped ("bugged").. certain things that i say in my house, have been repeated to me by other people outside the house.. it is very strange to experience this.. it seems that every single time i would go to the kingdom hall for a meeting, the speaker would repeat something i had said in the house earlier that day or the night before, it was freaky!.

i have seen a few other people post up on this website about being wiretapped by jw elders.. has anyone else experienced any of these things?

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I have had some of STRANGE and WEIRD things happen (Strange Phone Calls, and lots of other weird things, and certain "Code Words" used towards me), and I believe that there are certain Freemasons (or other Group), which has tried to use these subtle (and NOT-SO-Subtle) threats on me and my family. (It may be connected to some of my relatives in another State, who may have abuse going on in their family, and we have had a lot of strange dealings with these relatives).

It seems to me, that I have also been WIRETAPPED ("BUGGED").

Certain things that I say in my house, have been repeated to me by other people outside the house.

It is very strange to experience this.

It seems that every single time I would go to the Kingdom Hall for a Meeting, the Speaker would repeat something I had said in the house earlier that day or the night before, it was freaky!

I have seen a few other people Post up on this Website about being Wiretapped by JW Elders.

Has anyone else experienced any of these things?

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Amazon.com a Pedophile's Paradise ???

by Xandria in

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friends

this is what was found on amazon.com they sell this book freely and just read the ill reviews!!!!

this book openly invites pedophiles!

boycott amazon and make them take responsiblity for offering this book for sale.

UnDisfellowshipped

Boycotting them clearly won't be enough. Maybe we should storm their headquarters with flaming torches.

LOL YEAH! Right after they get through with Bethel LOL