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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!
by DATA-DOG ini could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.
everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.
it could only be divine providence.
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Tween went Christmas Caroling, Knocked on JW Door
by skeeter1 inmy tween went christmas caroling with a small group through our neigbhorhood.
they didn't know where some jws lived in our neighborhood.
by accident, they knocked on the jw door.
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He's a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
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Name your Top Ten or However Many you can Favorite Comedy Movies
by flipper instarted one thread serious, so thought i'd go light and easy on this one.
so what say yee to this?
here are mr. flippers, about in this order, but not necessarily.
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planes trains and automobiles
anchorman 1 and 2
beverly hills ninja
groundhog day
monty python and the holy grail
trading spaces
coming to america
the jerk
spaceballs
night at a roxbury
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Historical Chart of "This Generation" Teaching Adjustments
by truthseeker ini made this chart three years ago, and in light of the 2014 watchtower study i decided it was time for further refinement.. this chart probably won't fit on a regular page.. .
feel free to distribute.. .
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The chart will have a 2014 adjustment too. In the Jan or Feb WT I think there is another generation change, they revert to the 1927 teaching for the first generation as those anointed during 1914 whose lives overlap with anointed today, and that THAT generation, the 2nd generation, the current governing body, are getting older in years.
So they combine the 2013 with the 1927 teaching. Once those are almost gone, they will then continue down the old path. In 40 years the new light will go to saying the first generation was like the 1968 teaching, atleast 15 years old and not anointed. Then in 50 years the 1st generation are those born, overlapping the 2nd generation, etc.
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personal file
by focariedu21 inhi guys long time no see.
i just have a question about my personal congregation file.
recently i made a request to the elders to return my personal file but i haven't heard a whisper from the elders and its been months so i wrote them again this time with a time frame of 14 days and its now been over a month and still no response.
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I was thinking about this earlier myself, since they keep a publisher record of each current and ex member, if we can legally get the record ourselves and have them destroy any copy they have?
Nobody has ever signed anything on a privacy notice or permission to make a file about us, so I wonder if the publisher file and records are even legal to begin with.
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Revelation, It's Grand Climax at Hand
by Cold Steel init's a rather large red book.. if i wanted to purchase one from a pioneer, how much would it cost?.
i'm reading a borrowed copy now.. thanks!.
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marked and I just thought the last part of the book of revelation in the bible, about any man adding to it being added to the plagues, etc, w/ the revelation book published by the WT and applying everything to themselves, did not not add to the bible book of revelation?
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The new light changes from the draw close to Jehovah printed form vs online form.
by EndofMysteries inthe changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of draw close to jehovah book, and i fail to see any doctrine change, only the gb trying to cover up possible mistakes they've made and potential embarrassment of worldly sources knowing what jehovah's name means while they were wrong.
let's examine this new light they quote with this letter.
let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave...... .
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Another change I just found, par 12,
book version "So God has made his personal name known, has explained its meaning, and has even demonstrated that the meaning is true." NEW VERSION : " So God has made his personal name known, he has revealed thrilling things about the person represented by that name, and he has even demonstrated that what he says about himself is true. "
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The new light changes from the draw close to Jehovah printed form vs online form.
by EndofMysteries inthe changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of draw close to jehovah book, and i fail to see any doctrine change, only the gb trying to cover up possible mistakes they've made and potential embarrassment of worldly sources knowing what jehovah's name means while they were wrong.
let's examine this new light they quote with this letter.
let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave...... .
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One major mistake I noticed which has nothing to do with the changes and is in both versions is this statement....... Book version quote - "You see, the divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries." NEW VERSION: You see, he knew that Jehovah is the Creator, and he knew God’s name. The divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries."
Did the GB never read Ex 6:3, in their own bible it says this,,,"And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them."
Jehovah says himself he never revealed that name, yet they are saying everybody knew that name and it was being used for centuries. Are they that stupid or am I missing something?
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The new light changes from the draw close to Jehovah printed form vs online form.
by EndofMysteries inthe changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of draw close to jehovah book, and i fail to see any doctrine change, only the gb trying to cover up possible mistakes they've made and potential embarrassment of worldly sources knowing what jehovah's name means while they were wrong.
let's examine this new light they quote with this letter.
let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave...... .
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the changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of Draw Close to Jehovah book, and I fail to see any doctrine change, only the GB trying to cover up possible mistakes they've made and potential embarrassment of worldly sources knowing what Jehovah's name means while they were wrong. Let's examine this NEW LIGHT they quote with this letter. Let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave.....
Book version quote - "Jehovah" literally means "He Causes to Become". NEW VERSION - "Jehovah" is understood to mean "He Causes to Become".
WOW!!! So Jehovah doesn't literally mean, it's just understood to mean. Thank you new light!!!!!
Some more.....
Book version quote - "True, he brought all things into existence. That in itself is an awe-inspiring thought." NEW VERSION "He is unique in all the universe, for he brought all things into existence, and he causes all his purposes to be fulfilled."
Book version quote - "But is that the point of God's name?" NEW VERSION - "But is there another facet to the meaning of God’s name?"
Book version quote - "You see, the divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries." NEW VERSION: You see, he knew that Jehovah is the Creator, and he knew God’s name. The divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries."
Book version quote -"What does God's personal name literally mean?" NEW VERSION "What is God's personal name understood to mean?"
Book version quote - "In response Jehovah explained the meaning of his name" NEW VERSION " In response Jehovah revealed a thrilling aspect of his personality, something that is related to the meaning of his name."
Book version quote - "But the careful rendering in the New World Translation shows that God was not merely affirming his own existence. NEW VERSION "But careful renderings show that God was not merely affirming his own existence. "
That's it!!
I think they changed many words around to perhaps cover up something. The biggest changes I see is that Jehovah no longer LITERALLY MEANS, but now they put "is understood to mean". They also took out the new world translation as a careful rendering and just say careful rendering.
Could it be they learned that YHWH "literally" means something else and they are trying to cover up that after 100 years of supposedly being the truth and preachers of truth, that those they call false religion understood what Jehovah's name meant and that the so called faithful slave got it wrong al along?
If you look up what YHWH or Jehovah means, you'll see something like this....
Scholars widely propose that the name YHWH is a verb form derived from the Biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h) "to be", which has הוה (h-w-h) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix. [6] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), where the verb, translated most basically as "I am that I am" or "I shall be what I shall be", "I shall be what I am". [7] יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live"). [8] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists". [6]
So the only new light I see is that the GB may be trying to cover up their mistakes.
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BOE letter: New lights new changes
by pixel inre: adjustments to draw close to jehovah.
dear brothers:.
some changes involving our understanding of the meaning of gods name and what it re p- resents have been made to the first chapter of draw close to jehovah.
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the changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of Draw Close to Jehovah book, and I fail to see any doctrine change. Let's examine this NEW LIGHT they quote with this letter. Let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave.....
Book version quote - "Jehovah" literally means "He Causes to Become". NEW VERSION - "Jehovah" is understood to mean "He Causes to Become".
WOW!!! So Jehovah doesn't literally mean, it's just understood to mean. Thank you new light!!!!!
Some more.....
Book version quote - "True, he brought all things into existence. That in itself is an awe-inspiring thought." NEW VERSION " He is unique in all the universe, for he brought all things into existence, and he causes all his purposes to be fulfilled."
Book version quote - "But is that the point of God's name?" NEW VERSION - " But is there another facet to the meaning of God’s name?"
Book version quote - "You see, the divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries." NEW VERSION: You see, he knew that Jehovah is the Creator, and he knew God’s name. The divine name was not new. People had been using it for centuries."
Book version quote -"What does God's personal name literally mean?" NEW VERSION "What is God's personal name understood to mean?"
Book version quote - "In response Jehovah explained the meaning of his name" NEW VERSION " In response Jehovah revealed a thrilling aspect of his personality, something that is related to the meaning of his name."
Book version quote - "But the careful rendering in the New World Translation shows that God was not merely affirming his own existence. NEW VERSION " But careful renderings show that God was not merely affirming his own existence. "
That's it!!
I think they changed many words around to perhaps cover up something. The biggest changes I see is that Jehovah no longer LITERALLY MEANS, but now they put "is understood to mean". They also took out the new world translation as a careful rendering and just say careful rendering.
Could it be they learned that YHWH "literally" means something else and they are trying to cover up that after 100 years of supposedly being the truth and preachers of truth, that those they call false religion understood what Jehovah's name meant and that the so called faithful slave got it wrong al along?
If you look up what YHWH or Jehovah means, you'll see something like this....
Scholars widely propose that the name YHWH is a verb form derived from the Biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה ( h-y-h ) "to be", which has הוה ( h-w-h ) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix . [6] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה ( Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh ), where the verb, translated most basically as " I am that I am " or "I shall be what I shall be", "I shall be what I am". [7] יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il ( causative ) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live"). [8] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists". [6]
So the only new light I see is that the GB may be trying to cover up their mistakes.