Posts by oppostate

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2014 yearbook quote

by lambsbottom in

heard from the meeting yesterday that the 2014 yearbook mentioned a $ amount that the org spent on overseers and missionaries.

i remember is was 100+ million.

does anyone have that stat and the page number?.

oppostate

Oubliette said: " And every congregation provides an "Accounts Report" to the congregation each month providing full disclosure. Why does "Mother" not follow that procedure?"

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But this is not quite so. The accounts report used to be read to the congregations, and the operating committee reported on expenses but then there was a letter to the BOE and the accounts report was not read to the congregations for a while, just posted on the information board. Then they started to read the accounts for the congregation once again, but the one that really matters is the operating committee's account. That's the one where the money is stashed and only appointed ones are privy to the real status of the accounts. The local congregation's account is just a sheet to intimidate publishers into thinking that's there's only just enough covering the expenses every month, barely or even coming short. But they're really only short of what the operating committee's goal is for each month. It's really a money laundering scam when you think about it. The money disapears into other numbered accounts that the publishers don't know about and it is actually in the hands of the WT, for their use and can only be withdrawn from if there's some absolute and immediate necessity. Momma WT knows all the accounting tricks. You betcha!

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Victoria Australia, the FDS does not exist (eliciting gasps from the observers).

by confusedandalone in

can someone please point me to anywhere that more information regartding this can be found.. i read a smidge about it in another post and would love to see if there is more info.

oppostate

Two years ago when this first showed up.

There was a call in to Brooklyn, it was taped.

They acklowledged everything said at the trial.

At that time the only description of the FDS in

print was that it was the 144000 and the GB

was only it's representative.

The recording was put online and a link was

posted here. Steven Unthank told the truth

about what went on in court and the recording

of the call to Brooklyn's Legal Dept. proves it.

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New congregation accounting system

by thedog1 in

i'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.

i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.

this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.

oppostate

Here's the skinny on how our congregation does it's banking, here in New England.

There are two congregations sharing the hall, one, the downtown territory, with a lot of old JWs the other one in the suburbs.

Both congregations pay an operating committee whatever the committee feels they need for KH maintenance, they've got 14000 in the bank but this info is only shared with other elders and Mins at the monthly operating committee meeting.

All you hear from the podium are the local accounts being read out. The local brother says how much we're behind on the operating committees goal for the month. Everything from the boxes to Worldwide work and KH builing fund gets sent to the Branch.

If there's extra from what we send in to the operating committee the elders may vote to send it to the WT or to put it in an account where the WT has control of the money. If local contributions aren't enough for the month, the operating committee can take from the account in control of the WT after some paperwork since the now 14000 in the operating committee's account doesn't belong to the local congregation but the WT holds the money for the operating committee. If there's no money to cover the operating committe's goals from the local cong's then as a last resort they can request to withdraw from this 14000+ when needed, that is with WT go ahead.

This way the ever increasing operating committee sums are kept from the R&F and only those appointed know how much there's in that kitty. The R&F is always made to feel that local contributions are barely making it and encouraged to contribute more.

It's a very productive scam for the WT.

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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Video Drama & Hypocrisy

by oppostate in

elders school 2013: model judicial committee videothe third vid hildebrando posted was very irritating!.

the three elders are quite interested in that the.

young man cut off association with the pregnant.

oppostate

Well said, all the legalism is robbing JW's from growing

into mature adults who can make clear headed decisions.

Without the aid of referencing the WT articles on any matter

they're at a loss as to what to do.

On many issues there's this unclear leading in the WT that

leaves JWs feeling the brunt of making a decision out of conscience.

I know, I was like that too, if an article isn't clear which way to go

on something, then a JW feels that uneasy feeling, born from laziness

of mind that prevents them from acting on something because of

not having been clearly told what to do.

The WT has made mental slaves of their followers and when they

want to shirk responsibility they then dump the decision of conscience

on the publisher. The publisher, not having been used to exercising

his true conscience, but trained to have a WT disposition to follow

what he's told, now has to decide, and his indecision reveals a

moral ineptitude.

I had that feeling when the fractions explanations came along.

Not really understanding any of the disonance of accepting fractions

I went with not accepting anything on my blood card form.

It would be later, much later, finding the chapter on blood by

Ray Franz that really made open my eyes and start to reason

on the blood issue. Anyway that's one example, that comes to

mind, thinking back on this issue of being unprepared, and

immature about life's problems and what to do about them.

The WT doesn't have all the right answers, as a matter of fact

they have most of the wrong answers on just about anything.

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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Video Drama & Hypocrisy

by oppostate in

elders school 2013: model judicial committee videothe third vid hildebrando posted was very irritating!.

the three elders are quite interested in that the.

young man cut off association with the pregnant.

oppostate

It's situations like these where JWs act like Pharisees.

Their rules actually prevent them from doing the moral

thing in order to right the wrongs committed.

That said, I'm not really feeling sorry for the young guy.

He had his fun, and now he acts like it was all her fault.

I guess that his growing up in the Cult didn't really prepare

him to abstain from fornication, did it? If fornication is the

reason why most DF's take place what does that say about

"from their fruits you'll recognize them"?

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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Video Drama & Hypocrisy

by oppostate in

elders school 2013: model judicial committee videothe third vid hildebrando posted was very irritating!.

the three elders are quite interested in that the.

young man cut off association with the pregnant.

oppostate

Elders’ School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Video

The third vid Hildebrando posted was very irritating!

The three elders are quite interested in that the

young man cut off association with the pregnant

girl because she's a worldly influence.

But it's the girl who has any sense of moral

responsibility and wants to marry. This way

the child won't be illegitimate, and will grow up

with a father. This fact isn't even on the elders'

minds. All they're interested in is that the young

man wasn't open enough with details and should

have been more forthcoming with the information

they'd need to "discipline" him.

Seems to me the "oil" they're using to anoint the

young man is pretty rancid. The hypocrite elders

need a lesson in morality and responsibility. Did

they even care about the unborn child and its future?

Did they show any concern for the girl and what was

to become of her after being impregnated by someone

in their congregation?

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Putting Things into Perspective

by startingover13 in

jw
friends

some time has passed since my disfellowshipping, and even more time since i've been to a meeting.

with the stress of finally moving out, university, and work issues, i haven't had much time to reflect on my past life as one of jehovah's witnesses and what it really meant.

as i left my hometown on the bus yesterday evening, i finally had some "chill" time.

oppostate

The public issues of the WT and g are the carrot.

The study edition is the whip.

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Biggest pain in the side of the Governing Body of JWs

by oppostate in

at http://www.anointedjw.org/ a higher eschelon jw mentions that at a meeting of co's with do's it was stated that anointedjw.org website is the biggest pain in the side of the governing body.. do you feel that what's being published at anointedjw.org is having a big effect on the gb and / or on the congregations?.

if so what is it about their articles there that are opening jw eyes to an awakened state where so many others have tried and failed to awaken jws?.

what do you foresee could hapen as a result of pressure from anointedjw.org and their articles on the gb's attitude and their reactions?.

oppostate

I think Watkins has it right for the most part.

the AnointedJW.org site posts almost weekly letters they've sent the Governing Body.

Their articles point to sonship and a heavenly reward. Their doing this makes the 144,000 WT teaching false and holds up the hope of life in heaven for believers in Christ.

Those who aren't Christians may not agree with the teachings in the AnointedJW.org web site, but those who are Christian believers may appreciate their clear biblical teachings.

All here may appreciate that anything that corrodes loyalty to the GB is helping to bring down the WT.

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scum bag elder

by Crazyguy in

so last night i had a family meeting and told my kids that i was quitting as a jw and then gave my wife my da letter to give to the one elder i like at the hall tonight.

so this morning i see a text from the co elder the one that met with me and is gunning to get me out and had already tried to get me to a jc meeting this week.

so the text reads "your wife has informed me of your letter and its sad to hear, would like to meet one last time not as a jc, to be sure this is what you want.".

oppostate

@Crazyguy,

Tell the CO guy that you wrote that letter in haste and due to your stressed out state you

want to retract it. Do this if you want to stop associating without being tagged as DA'ed or DF'ed.

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Then write the BOE of your congregation another letter telling them you are withdrawing membership

from that congregation. That's right... not DA'ing as a JW... but rather, withdrawing membership from

that specific congregation.

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So include that you in no way are disassociating yourself from the Jehovah's Witness community.

Only that you no longer want to be recognized in the membership list of that particular congregation.

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Then write another letter telling them to cease calling or making contact with you, threaten with

legal measures against the local BOE. Tell them that you will not include the Watchtower Society in

the legal case unless they start giving legal advise to the BOE and by their association they are

including themselves in your legal case against them.

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You want to repeat clearly that you will sue the local BOE for any judicial action they take against you,

since you don't consider yourself a member of that congregation anylonger, and you will sue them for

any negative mention of you in a public setting or any announcement.

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End by reassuring them that you are not disassociating yourself and you reserve the right to join another

JW congregation of your choosing wherenever you're ready to do so, where you won't feel they'll

harass you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually.

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Due to the stress you've been a victim of through the BOE's contact with you, you find no alternative but

to withdraw membership from that congregation and their biggoted representatives.

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DO NOT involve your wife in any communications as a go-between. And tell the BOE in the letter to respect

your head of household standing and not discuss anything related to you or your family unless you are

present.

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Wishing you the best,

Oppostate

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How to get through an Assembly?

by kaxozula in

jw
friends

me just learning the truth about the truth has just made it hard to even get through a two hour meeting at the the kingdom hall.

i get so sleepy during them and i almost cannot contain it!

the last time i went to a convention, i was still an avid believer but as you can see, that has changed.

oppostate

I bring an ebook reader and read a good novel. The more interesting the better. After a while the droning voices from the platform just fade from consciousness as I get lost in the action of the novel. Set the font level to the smallest you can bear and prevent nosy folks from reading over your shoulder.

When I get tired of reading I take a break and nap for a while. My wife won't elbow me awake unless I start snoring loudly, in which case it's time for a bathroom break, when I come back to the seat it's always good to reach into the lunch box and get a snack or a drink, or maybe a piece of gum to chew while I go back to the novel.

For those stuck due to family allegiances and loyalties to the WT, I encourage the reading for entertainment and nap time during assemblies and conventions. I found this routine quite more bearable than trying to listen to the annoying nonsense being spouted from the platform.

One advantage of napping, especially during the last talk, which is usually by some Bethel heavy, is that if you can get a good nap, when it's time to drive the several hours trip back home you will feel a lot more rested.

So get an ebook and download a good novel.