on jw tv.
anthony morris is ranting against higher education.
he is blaming parents for enrolling their kids in college.
I find it so disconcerting to have Tony the Turd talking while the world is behind him in darkness with the only light points being the night lights of big cities.
The effect of a moving/rotating background behind this talking figurehead is conducive to nausea and his rambling on hypnotic.
Tony oh Tohy! What a bunch of bull you're spewing in your fancy web TV studio!
full set: http://imgur.com/a/z4k2t.
sample:.
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It is trying to be too sneaky in hiding the fact you can get DA/DF'ed if you dare to vote. Calling it DA'ing oneself by means of "nonneutral" behavior is totally WT speak for "you better not vote or we'll get your family and friends to shun you!"
Can anything be done about an organization claiming to be a non-profit religious corporation preventing their members from voting in public elections?
What legal maneuverings are they afraid of by calling it "nonneutral" and mean "choosing to vote"?
in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".
here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.
baugh v. thomas (1970).
Can someone ask to be removed from a particular congregation without actually disassociating from the whole organization? If someone can find a way to do this, then perhaps they can find a loophole to leave without actually getting tagged as such, thereby there would be no institutionally enforced shunning by the family.
Exactly, the loophole is that once you remove yourself from a congregation, the congregation reps i.e. the BOE cannot take retaliatory action against you for doing so, it's a free country and you can leave any congregation you want.
Since Momma WT isn't going to hold a JC and DF anyone not at Bethel, you as a congregation member don't have any connection to the WT, that's the way the WT likes it. So, it's up to the congregation to do the dirty and hold a JC to "begin the shun".
By removing yourself legally from the congregation, you can still associate with congregation members as any worldly person can do. But since the elders have no legal power to act against a worldly non-member of their congregation, they cannot act against you as a former member unless they want to expose themselves to libel and spreading slander by announcing statements that carry a negative connotation of you and your reputation.
Since all you are doing is fading with the law on your side, it's definitely not a good idea to go ahead and put up Christmas lights if you take this road. This only allows you to believe what you believe, and do what you wish while doing it discretely, and away from the congregation.
The elders don't really want a headache with lawyers. Since you should make it clear you aren't DA'ing from the JW religion, just leaving the congregation, and telling them that if they seek legal counsel from the WT (with whom you as of now don't have a legal case) once the WT starts giving them legal support you will consider them as supporting the BOE's slanderous actions and then you will include the WT in the lawsuit.
What this does is it sends a message to the lawyers at Bethel. If you involve yourselves in this matter by giving legal counsel, your WT Society will be included in the pestering legal activities I'm about to unleash on the local BOE if they dare mess with my name and reputation.
The WT lawyers are going to suggest to the local BOE to "forget about it" and leave you alone, and that they better not aggravate the situation by doing anything stupid like holding a JC without you and DF'ing you.
The WT doesn't want any bad publicity and the shunning issue is something they need for control but they don't want exposed to the public or it would cost them new Bible Studies and potential later full fledged, R&F, money contributing members. If you make a big stink and just one Bible Study hears about it and quits as a result of learning that it's likely they'll be loosing their family if they get baptized then make a serious mistake--It's really not worth it to Momma WT.
If this "loophole" costs the bOrganization enough members who can't be shunned and are out there free to associate while harboring appostate feelings, you'll see action from Bethel rushing to plug up that loophole. If on the other hand, just a few slip through the cracks and enjoy family association without being members of a congregation then the WT will just look the other way, and best of all, advise the local BOE to do likewise.
in another topic "just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a jw".
here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.. you have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.. if the boe says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:.
baugh v. thomas (1970).
In another topic "Just quit quietly - the law is on your side" there was a lot of discussion about how to leave quietly without getting tagged publicly as "no longer a JW"
Here are some legal cases that could be used to show support for leaving quietly.
You have to first send a letter saying you're leaving that specific congregation, and that you don't want them to keep records of you.
If the BOE says anything against you here are some court cases that make precedent for bringing a suit against them:
Baugh v. Thomas (1970)
Bear v. Reformed Mennonite Church (1975)
Guinn v. Church of Christ (1989)
Where the U.S. courts upheld a judgment in respect to limits of disciplinary actions by non-profit religious institutions of their members and non-members.
Basically if you withdraw from a congregation, you can hold them legally responsible if they retaliate against you for doing so.
This makes for a situation where they cannot DF you for leaving the congregation.
Since you aren't DF'd they won't make the "no longer a JW" announcement.
freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.
your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.
those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.
You should write the congregation' BOE and tell them you do not wish to continue as a member of that specific congregation.
In the same letter you should threaten to take legal action against the elders if they say anything to mar your reputation with your former congregation associates.
You should make it clear that if you wish to join another congregation you will do so without needing to tell them.
If they say anything or write anything against you, as in a letter to another BOE, you will take legal action against them.
This will prevent their announcing anything about your not being a JW anymore, all you've done is leave that congregation and that's not a DF'ing offense.
For the BOE to take any action against you would be opening themselves to a lawsuit since you've already informed them that you are no longer a member of that congregation.
There are legal precedents that support a person leaving a congregation and suing a former congregation due to retaliation on their part for one's leaving.
"dicte" a danish tv series on netflix shows shunning of protagonist by her jw parents in the first few minutes of the opening episode.. it's similar to wallander if you're into that type of detective series you're sure to find this one interesting.. netflix description of the series is that:.
"a crime reporter starts a new life by returning to her hometown, where she finds herself at odds with the police when she tries to solve their cases.".
it opens with a young girl giving birth, her child is taken away, her parents helping to give the baby up.. ahead to 24 years later a woman gets out of her car and approaches a group of people entering a kingdom hall.. she calls them father and mother but they say nothing to her.
Did the author grow up as a JW and was DF'd then shunned?
How does she write about this?
Or is it well known in the Danish communities that's what JW's do?
"dicte" a danish tv series on netflix shows shunning of protagonist by her jw parents in the first few minutes of the opening episode.. it's similar to wallander if you're into that type of detective series you're sure to find this one interesting.. netflix description of the series is that:.
"a crime reporter starts a new life by returning to her hometown, where she finds herself at odds with the police when she tries to solve their cases.".
it opens with a young girl giving birth, her child is taken away, her parents helping to give the baby up.. ahead to 24 years later a woman gets out of her car and approaches a group of people entering a kingdom hall.. she calls them father and mother but they say nothing to her.
The original is in Danish, I've only found access to the first season on Netflix streaming, and as you say it's with English subtitles.
Where did you find season 2 of "Dicte"? I'm interested in seeing how the whole JW parents shunning situation is developed throughout the series.
"dicte" a danish tv series on netflix shows shunning of protagonist by her jw parents in the first few minutes of the opening episode.. it's similar to wallander if you're into that type of detective series you're sure to find this one interesting.. netflix description of the series is that:.
"a crime reporter starts a new life by returning to her hometown, where she finds herself at odds with the police when she tries to solve their cases.".
it opens with a young girl giving birth, her child is taken away, her parents helping to give the baby up.. ahead to 24 years later a woman gets out of her car and approaches a group of people entering a kingdom hall.. she calls them father and mother but they say nothing to her.
"Dicte" a Danish TV series on Netflix shows shunning of protagonist by her JW parents in the first few minutes of the opening episode.
It's similar to Wallander if you're into that type of detective series you're sure to find this one interesting.
Netflix description of the series is that:
"A crime reporter starts a new life by returning to her hometown, where she finds herself at odds with the police when she tries to solve their cases."
It opens with a young girl giving birth, her child is taken away, her parents helping to give the baby up.
Ahead to 24 years later a woman gets out of her car and approaches a group of people entering a Kingdom Hall.
She calls them Father and Mother but they say nothing to her. They go into the building and leave her out.
The woman starts beating up the sign that says Jehovas Vidner.
i was thinking of doing a pop-in visit when they're doing their thing(what ever that might be).
to just see what it is that lures and hooks people, like our son.
i was worried there is some sort of subliminal messages in audio or video that start to brain-wash a person.
No electromagnetic rays but an aluminum/tin foil pointy hat would definitely keep back a lot of unwanted attention, errh somewhat.
It's the love-bombing that hooks new folks. The love that quickly disappears from most JW's once the newbie is baptized.
and you know what?
i am never going to argue about the babble or witchtower comic book fairy tales ever again.
a big f to the lot of them.. whew - feels good doesn't it?.
Shome "shite" is good for the garden, like manure, but WT "shite" is like dog-"shite"...
It ain't good for "nothing"!
