Posts by oppostate

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A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

by FusionTheism in

a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

oppostate

Way too long of post there FT.

One thing though, I think you're missing the mark about "leaders". You mention "leaders" a lot. If Jesus taught the disciples a repeated lesson throughout the gospels is that they should stop thinking as being above one another, that they were all equal and not anyone leader over others.

Jesus is the only leader and he's the one who's example should be followed, not that of any other man. If you're baptized as a Christian, you've devoted your life to serving Christ and imitating his example, you don't need anyone else to tell you what to do in service of Christ.

One serves whoever they follow. Among Christians we should all be brothers and sisters not one lording it over another. It's really all about serving and helping one another, elder ones should help as older brothers do to younger ones. They should lead by example not by letters to Bodies of Elders in each congregation that are kept secret from the rest of the congregation. Wouldn't you agree?

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The real issue is long term solvency.

by joe134cd in

ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

oppostate

So think before you open your mouth.

Wow. You obviously must have done some deep thinking before blabbing your mouth speculating nonsense like that.

The WT is bent on getting every penny it can so that it can keep getting bigger and more powerful, more controlling and domineering.

By long term solvency and survival maybe you meant sustainable. If you did, Perhaps you aren't aware that one of the first things a "sustainable" business would do is try to retain talent, creative people with critical skills who are the lifeblood of the company. The WT seems hell bent on foiling followers efforts to grow their talents with the anti-higher-ed mindset.

Their mission statement is murky, changeable with every effort made to remain tax exempt throughout its lucre loving past.

Their reports of hours and publishers are doctored up, changing the stipulation for publisher reporting hours so that the totals are increased year after year. But since their requirements changed one year cannot be "fairly" compared with another and percentage of increase published. This is quite dishonest.

Likewise dishonest is their misquoting "expert" scientists, Bible scholars and academics. On one hand they say the whole world is wicked and belongs to Satan, but they dare make use of this world's "experts" when the need suits them. Dishonesty will only drive more and more followers away from their organization as they become more aware of WT practices.

So in order to hide their practices they have to keep a tight lid on "shepherding" books, elder school's curriculum and letters to elder bodies which explicitly demands information be kept secret from the rank & file witnesses.

Their public credibility, confidence, takes a dive every time their secret guidelines and dirty dealings are exposed. Case in point, the UN NGO status fiasco. There is no commitment on their part to honesty in public relations. They bend the truth and sometimes give contradicting information as part of their "warfare strategy" against anyone who dares try to hold them accountable.

As a practice they do not contract with the best available providers of services, but depend on free volunteer labor. This has resulted in much waste in the past. They repeatedly prove to be penny wise and pound foolish.

Instead of reducing waste and resources they are gluttons for printing and distributing publications that few will make any use of. Their value doesn't last a decade because their teachings change so often and as a result older publications are useless.

So maybe you didn't mean "sustainable" when you mentioned solvency and survival. Maybe you meant that they'll try to squeeze every penny they can from followers, even kids' ice cream money, to stay "solvent" and they can ensure the "survival" of their status and power. If that is the case then it makes them that much more despicable to hide their business behind a religious tax-exempt front.

Either way you meant it, they're obviously greedy and dishonest.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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oppostate

I remember talks mentioning Newtons speculations said with the caveat that it was too late a prediction and with world conditions being so bad that the inside of the magazines said the end of this system would come during this 20th century and that was only a few years away.

Well the 20th century is come and gone. Newton's predictions included dates like 2034 and 2060. I wouldn't be surprised if they now pushed Newton dates as being a possibility of the end.

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Amizades

by OportoGirl in

boa tarde, sera que existem membros no forum que pertencam a congregacoes em portugal?

procuro novas amizades, edificantes e verdadeiras.

oppostate

Opa, portuguesa! Como disse Morpheus. Este fórum é em Inglês. Você pode usar o Google ou Bing para traduzir. Eu sou meio português, meu pai era de Lisboa.
Você quer amigos dentro ou fora da organização. Há todos os tipos aqui.
Bemvinda ao fórum.
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Wow, portuguese! Well, like Morfeo said. This forum is in English. You can use Google or Bing for translating. I'm half Portuguese, my father was from Lisbon.
Are you looking for friends in or out of the organization. There are all kinds here.
Welcome to the forum.

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Official List of Helpers to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

official current list as published by watchtower >>> here.

official list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

oppostate

All those names and only one seemingly Latino person among them. Yet with the most growth of the bOrganization happening in Spanish and Portuguese congregations one would think they'd have mote folks who come from the culture and are familiar with customs and outlooks.

Names however, don't necessarily mean they are connected to the customs--like the case of former CO Rodrigues who pronounces his name as "ROD-ricks." He's managed to white wash himself out of any ethnicity and is more full of air than Wonder bread.

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SIMPLE and easy way to prove Jehovah's Witnesses are a dishonest organization

by Watchtower-Free in

simple and easy way to prove jehovah's witnesses are a dishonest organizationmost jehovah's witnesses do not realize that their elders secret manual instructs the elders to deny people their rights to record their own conversations and interactions with the elders.

this includes judicial meetings and so-called shepherding calls.elders have even been warned at their elder training classes that if they allow themselves to be recorded the watchtower society will not defend him in court if they are sued.elders fear being recorded because they do not want to be held accountable and responsible for their words and actions.

no elder has ever given me a cogent reason for refusing people their rights to record interactions with elders.what this creates is a unfair power balance between the elders and anyone they are talking to or judicially dealing with.

oppostate

In CoC Ray F. told about the times when those suspected of not towing the party line to the full were recorded, even phone conversations, by WT hounders, without the person's knowledge and played back to GB and their cronies.

The WT leadership has always been less than honest. They should expect to be treated like they've treated others.

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Meeting for not paying assembly fees???!!!!

by Kool Jo in

jw
friends

hey folks......has anyone else heard of, or experienced this before?.

i visited by parents over the weekend and accompanied them to their assembly....same rubbish spoken about since ive been born....obey the gb, donate your last penny, no education and be a pushover.. anyways, our assembly hall has lush vegetation and scenery, so i was more focused on that....i started dozing off after lunch, so got up and went walking, saw some older folks from the congregation i grew up with.. upon the conclusion of the assembly, wed normally leave out right after the prayer ends so as to avoid the traffic.

however, for this assembly he told me that hes gonna be a few minutes with the elders and branch representatives...so a few minutes turned into an hour..

oppostate

10 Steps For Successful Corporate Branding

For any company, branding is critically important it reflects and shapes relationships with its stakeholders customers, media, investors. Branding could mean the difference between success and failure. Just found an interesting article from author of author of Asian Brand Strategy: How Asia Builds Strong Brands,Martin Roll presenting 10 crucial steps for succesful corporate branding strategy:

1. THE CEO NEEDS TO LEAD THE BRAND STRATEGY WORK
The board room is the starting point of a corporate branding strategy with the CEO backed by a strong brand management team of senior contributors.
2. BUILD YOUR OWN MODEL
As not every model suits all, even the best and most comprehensive branding models have to be tailored to meet business’s own set of values.
3. INVOLVE YOUR STAKEHOLDERS
This way you can obtain a fair picture of the current business landscape including the current brand image, positioning and any critical paths ahead. Value the voices of your customers, employees and other stakeholders.
4. ADVANCE THE CORPORATE VISION
The corporate branding strategy allows management to involve, educate and align everyone around the corporate objectives, values and future pathway.
5. EXPLOIT NEW TECHNOLOGY
Modern technology should play a part in a successful corporate branding strategy. Technology contributes to improving effectiveness and improving the competitive edge of the corporation.
6. EMPOWER PEOPLE TO BECOME BRAND AMBASSADORS
The most effective way to turn employees into brand ambassadors is to train everyone adequately in the corporate brand strategy (vision, values and personality etc.) making sure they fully understand and believe! what exactly the corporation aims to be in the minds of its customers and stakeholders.
7. CREATE THE RIGHT DELIVERY SYSTEM
The corporate brand is the face of the business strategy and basically it promises what all stakeholders should expect from the corporation. Therefore, the delivery of the right products and services should be carefully scrutinized and evaluated on performance before any corporation starts a corporate branding project.
8. COMMUNICATE!
To bring the corporate brand to life one needs to implement a range of well-planned, well-executed marketing activities, ensuring the overall messages are consistent, clear and relevant to the target audiences.
9. MEASURE THE BRAND PERFORMANCE
The brand equity consists of various individually tailor-made key performance indicators (including the financial brand value) needs to be tracked regularly. A brand score card can help facilitate an overview of the brand equity and which gauge progress as the strategy is implemented.
10. ADJUST RELENTLESSLY AND BE READY TO RAISE YOUR OWN BAR ALL THE TIMES
A corporate brand should stay relevant, differentiated and consistent throughout time, so it is crucial to adjust to the changing business landscape.

Read the full article: 10 Steps For Successful Corporate Branding

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Can This Be True?

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

i was very tired today, still am.

age is getting to me.

that video will be shown to millions of parents around the world.

oppostate

the kids will remember the video for about 1 day and then life will get back to normal

I know, right? Short attention spans, but think of this. That video is going to be seen over and over by kids who'll be babysat with that video and others like it. They'll identify closely with Caleb and Sophia. Maybe the WT is trying to curb infant obesity. "Don't eat fatty icecream, give us your money instead, you'll get that dopamine release reward from doing as you've been brainwashed, child!" Bunch of greedy money grabbin GB now turned into drug pushers of feel good brain chemicals!

The craziness over the movie Frozen is ample proof. Four year olds singing along with Anna! Having the time of their lives. But, they're not being asked to give up their icecream money to a Real Estate Development and Publishing Empire masking as a religion.

When their minds are the most pliable and the rate of growth is the highest in brain development. Habits and future mind-sets are formed. This Contributions & No Icecream video is nothing short of blatant, infant brainwashing.

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May JW Broadcasting Video about the Money Problems

by FusionTheism in

in the video, they repeatedly talk about these big ugly misunderstandings that have taken place between the circuit overseers and the elders,, at least partially, leading to their current money problems fiasco.. if the governing body were intentionally lying, wouldn't they lie to make themselves and their elders look better, instead of worse?.

what would the motive be for them to tell everyone about these big misunderstandings?.

oppostate

Wow, FT! Did you and I watch different videos or what?

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Spiritual AMNESTY -- Return to Jehovah

by FusionTheism in

basically, from what i can tell from the new return to jehovah brochure, is that the governing body is now offering amnesty to anyone who has been gone from the congregation but now wants to return.. it claims it doesn't matter what sins you've done, or what caused you to leave, if you repent to jehovah and ask the elders to help you, and return to the meetings, you'll be warmly welcomed with no disciplinary action or judgment against you..

oppostate

What? On page 9 there's a sister with her back to the congregation. It can't be a real congregation--there's not even one overweight person in the bunch!

It's all just as fake through the whole book.

It's a tool to clear the conscience of shunners. They can surreptitiously hand this to a DF'ed relative and feel that is now upto the DF'ed person to acquiesce or continue to be shunned.