Posts by oppostate

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Proper Arrangement for Providing Links to Shepherding the Flock book.

by RubaDub in

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friends

as a reminder, non-believers and sisters should not be binding nor providing links to download the new book.

this should only be done by brothers.. rub a dub.

oppostate

Did you say it's a "prostate" forum?

--Oppo

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Trouble downloading Franz-govbody1975.mp3 on freeminds

by pirata in

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friends

i'm trying to download the fred franz's 1975 gilead talk from free minds, but it does not download properly (it's supposed to be a file called franz-govbody1975.mp3, with a files size of 27.44mb, but i only get a 184kb 30 second file when i download it).

is anyone able to download this succesfully from this page?.

http://www.freeminds.org/category/6-mp3s-voice-podcasts.html.

oppostate

You can also purchase the mp3 of the talk with Ray Franz's comments about his uncle's discourse at:

http://www.commentarypress.com/Detail/eng_governingbody.html

The CD is sold out but you can still download it on Mp3

mp3 audio file: $4.50

(A copy of 1975 discourse by F. W. Franz, with observations by R. V. Franz), 60 minutes, available in three formats: cassette tape, compact disc, or directly downloadable as an MP3 audio file (13.7 MB), suitable for playback on computer or portable mp3 playback device (such as iPod).

The significance of this talk in the history of the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses is spelled out in Chapter 4 of the book "Crisis of Conscience". The voice recording not only verifies that presentation but audibly and vividly makes evident the intensity of the power struggle within that organization at the time of the talk.

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Lost in translation? An interesting find on this week WT study. English version vs Spanish version.

by onemore in

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friends

i was doing some wt reading why superintendentes itinerantes as opposed to superintendentes viajante?

maybe all those rumors about the end of the c.o arrangement are trueafter all.

i got excited thinking that i was going to call it first on this forum.

oppostate

It just goes to show you how their pharisaical guidelines can get even a writer/translator at Bethel all confused.

We're doing this and we're doing that, standard procedures to follow you know... Sad!!!

8

Letter Regarding Theocratic Strategy

by Bangalore in

letter regarding theocratic strategy.. .

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bangalore.

oppostate

Here you go Isaac...


Dear Brother _______

 Thank you for your recent letter regarding "theocratic
strategy." From time to time we receive letters of this nature.

 The various articles you refer to are most appropriate on this
subject and we have little more to add to this. However, it is 
important to define exactly what constitutes a lie. The Watchtower
of July 15, 1981, on page 436, has the following to say about this:
"A liar is not one who, by mistake, utters a falsehood unintention-
ally. A liar is one who knowingly utters an untruth, designed to 
deceive and mislead. Lies and truth do not mix. John was 
intensely loyal to the truth. He knew that 'no lie originates with
the truth.'" --1 John 2:21.

 With the above definition in mind it could hardly be said that
Rahab, David and others were "living a lie" in the action they took
when confronted with God's enemies. The June 1960 Watchtower, on
page 352, appropriately states that Scripturally it is proper to
hide the truth from God's enemies for the purpose of protecting the 
interests of his cause. This certainly has nothing to do with
lying. Obviously it is best to emphasize the positive aspects of
persecution and opposition rather than dwell on the negative side
of things. Being "in the truth" means precisely what it says. We
are following the path of truth, we speak the truth and urge others 
to do the same. Under no circumstances can we compromise the truth
for our personal convenience or safety. We simply use discernment
and caution when the interests of the truth are threatened by
bitter enemies. This happened on many occasions in Nazi Germany
and continues to happen in various parts of the earth to this day.

 We do not feel that this subject needs to become a matter of
general discussion among the brothers. Perhaps it may be possible
for two of the elders to kindly talk to the sister who was
disturbed by the point you made. We have been pleased to respond
to your correspondence and we take this opportunity of sending an
expression of our very warm Christian love and greetings.

 Your brothers,
 Watchtower B. & T. Society
 of Australia

cc: The Body of Elders
__________________________ N.S.W.

73

Alot has Changed and I'm going BACK

by Butterflyleia85 in

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friends

i bet people has forgotten me but thats ok because i know they have helped me a lot on here.. .

anyways i think the last time i been on here i mentioned my jw sister not going to my wedding.

for those that do remember my story, the wedding was beautiful on the beach in key west, fl!

oppostate

Bfl85, I think I understand, you're going through the motions to

get reinstated so that ties with family will be re-established,

but then you wish to "fade" from the organization. This sounds

like a plan that will take time and patience. I hope you can endure

and I hope your family can see that you want them close to you but

you need to distance yourself from meetings, service, assemblies, etc.

You have my prayer sister. Consider yourself one of the "conscious

class" as some here like to mention. But by going back you realize

how much the motions of being a JW tug at your heart strings, this

is very understandable, it was and is a part of you. But stay strong

and follow your plan.

Good luck on the fade! Be strong, be cautious and be conscious.

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Is the GB setting up to dump 1914?

by karter in

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with the "generation change" and them changing it all the time it would make sence to dump it all togeather.. lets face it ,it can be disproved easly.. they dumped 1975 in a heart beat .. this would buy them all the time they wanted as they would just find another date to start the generation from ie: "the u.n year of peace and sercurty'',1986 i belive or whatever else they could think of.. they could sell it to the r&f as easly as they sold 1975,then dumped it when it did'nt happen .. anyone questioning them would be told they are running ahead of jehovah or lacking faith in his earthly org that feeds us food at the proper time .. what do you think?.

karter..

oppostate

Well said Sapphy. As well as others who expressed similar predictions. I'm one of

those invested in for decades. Although now I'm as Rick Fearon likes to say, of

the "conscious class".

Every generation seems to think they're the ones that are the last. Well, that's

what they've been led to believe. But more and more are catching onto the old

tricks of the WatchTower. (Especially since digital media is so available and old

books and other publications are easy to come by through the internet, there

are truly many roving about in the last days of the WatchTower, we can only

hope.)

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowshipped for Taking a Blood Transfusion?

by ThomasCovenant in

any 'proof' or quotes or experiences one way or other.

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oppostate

No... No, JWs don't DF people for taking blood.

Let me explain from experience.

I sat in on a judicial committee. The brother

was not very active in service, only spotty

meeting attendance, he had health issues,

needed bypass, took blood, he admitted it

in a handwritten note the Service Overseer

got from him when he stopped by the hospital

while the man was recuperating. The decision

was made within five minutes of starting the

meeting. The man had disassociated himself

through his actions and admitted to the actions

without writing he was repentant so the paper

work was done and it was announced he was

no longer a Jehovah's Witness, even before

the man had a chance to get back on his feet

and go on with life after the operation. No

visits from "the friends", no sisters making

meals during his convalescence, he might

as well have died on the operating table

as far as the congregation was concerned.

He often took walks along the sidewalk in

front of his house, to regain health, on a

main street of town, many cargroups would

go by I'm sure, I wonder how he felt looking

at them looking at him from within their self

righteous cargroups.

To this day I'm sickened about the whole thing.

Although I went along with putting the paper

work through I first said let's talk to the brother

let him get better and talk. I was voted down.

I'm sick about it inside. It's one of those things

I'm sure I'll have to answer for one day. All I

can add is that I'm truly sorry I went along with

it. I hadn't seen him walking the sidewalk for

a couple of years, maybe he went to a nursing

home. The BOE then got a letter from his daughter

who was never baptized asking if some brother

would give the talk at the funeral home for him.

None in the 8 man group of the BOE would

volunteer; it's not done for DF'ed and DA'd

individuals.

It's a sick cult, we're all too afraid of breaking

men's laws and too quick to uphold what deep

down we know to be an inhumane and uncaring

way of dealing with people we should reach out

to help, to shepherd, to bring refreshment from

the scorch of this "system of things" but we

do the easy thing and go along, to the heart

ache and suffering of innocent ones.

That's my experience on Blood and DF'ing.

So... No, JWs don't DF people for taking blood..

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Sustainability in the Borganization -- May's Contribution Surveys & new arrangement for getting magazines

by cattails in

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friends

mad sweeney said:.

honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.. which got me to thinking.

it's true it seems that the brass at bethel.

oppostate

I agree with the idea of sustainability.

And if the WT gets out of Brooklyn they minimize

any chance of some crazed Islamist blowing

up a dirty bomb in Manhattan and poisoning

the surrounding burroughs, including DUMBO

area.

Good topic! Good comments!

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Tuesday, May 11th Daily Text - The nerve!!!

by Girlie in

just thought i would share what the borg is dispensing as "spiritual food at the proper time" .. .

tuesday, may 11. quickly.

they forgot his works; they did not wait for his counsel.ps.106:13.. some may have left gods flock because they did not agree with some scriptural teaching.

oppostate

Have those who stopped associating with the Christian congregation found another place where there is rich spiritual food? No, for there is none!

Sounds like some hole in the wall mediocre restaurant in some

no account town trying to say they're the best food place around.

Better a dish of vegetables... than the poisoned delicacies of the

Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society religion.

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GOT A FRIEND REQUEST FROM AN ELDER ON FACEBOOK!!!!!

by Blue Grass in

damn!

oppostate

Blue Grass, maybe he's a 'conscious class' elder?

If he's using FaceBook and he's an elder there's

got to be a reason why he's still active on that

social website despite counsel to not do so.

Safest thing is to block him, and edit your profile

to increase your privacy settings.

(Maybe the elder you're refering to is me :-)