Posts by oppostate

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if shunning is so loveing

by poopie in

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why is it almost the last question in the question section on jw.org if its so loveing mention it at every meeting mention it like crazy at all the assemblys on jw.tv i have never heard the term mentioned on jw.tv i did not hear at all at the regional but its so loveing

oppostate

I really wasn't fully aware to what extent the DF'ing shunning policy went until after getting baptized, they changed the DA'ing policy for un-baptized publishers.

It used to be that if you committed a WT no-no and weren't baptized you would be DA'ed not DF'ed. Only baptized publishers would be DF'ed.

Then the policy changed so that unbaptized publishers were just announced as no longer being a publisher, but now weren't to be shunned. The publishers who were baptized would be DF'ed and shunned.

I spent years not getting dunked but doing all the routines and then started thinking I might as well get baptized if I get caught doing some no-no and being or not being a publisher would get me the same result. Now I think I may have waited even longer seeing the contrast in how unbaptized-publishers and baptized are treated (or mistreated).

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What is God Asking Back of You?

by berrygerry in

this was going through my mind last night.. reviewing 2 key scriptures - james 1:27 - orphans and widows.

and micah 6:8 - what is god asking back?.

so, i start looking for this verse on www.biblehub.com, but every translation says "requires.".

oppostate

The term is DORESH in Hebrew and I think it carries the meaning of looking, expecting (back).

God tells mankind what's good and he expects people to do good.

The blech edition (2013) of NWT has changed to "requires" (with footnote to the old)

Do you get the feeling from the changes to the NWT that they compared with other English versions and made changes so as not to have the NWT sound so corny and weird?

Like updating long-suffering to patience in the list of fruitage from the Spirit. I can't rattle all 9 of them off from memory unless I say long-suffering.

"lovejoypeacelongsufferingkindnessgoodnessfaithmildnessandselfcontrol"

We were expected to have all these proof texts ingrained in our memory for use at the door and in Bible Studies, and now they dare change the verses and don't even change the name of the translation to "revised."

I might as well have stuck to the New Jerusalem Bible, ASV or even King James. After all... I liked them better than the old-NWT anyways!

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Ron Frye's _My_Christian_Quest_ unabridged audiobook available on YouTube read by OnlyInChrist

by oppostate in

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you can now listen to ron frye's _my_christian_quest_ unabridged audiobook, read by onlyinchrist and available on youtube:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljemw5gtlww.

http://christianrespondent.com/.

oppostate

You can now listen to Ron Frye's _My_Christian_Quest_ unabridged audiobook, read by OnlyInChrist and available on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjeMW5gtlWw

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Previous discussion on Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/126326/my-christian-quest-ron-frye-just-finished-reading-good?page=1

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James Penton

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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james penton is he still alive?

my wife left me his book but i've not found anything else on him.

does he post somewhere?.

oppostate

I very much enjoyed meeting Jim and Marylin at the Christian Believers' Conference in Wenham,MA at Gordon College. These conferences are very upbuilding in my opinion and JW's and exJW's are very welcome there.

It's been a tough few years and many dear friends have passed away, Ray's generation, I guess.

Marylin, Jim's wife just passed last year as Vanderhoven7 said. Rose from ChannelC discussions also passed away and I've lost contact with many good and dear brothers and sisters who used to chat at ChannelC forum.

The last Christian Believers' Conference where I met with Jim and Gord, we talked about starting up a Commentary Press like entity which would keep Ray's books and other materials in print to help JW's break the chains to the WT. We talked about calling it Quest Press, reminiscent of Ron Frye's My Christian Quest.

I'd like to attend the CB Conference once again, it would be great to meet with folks who are interested in a WT/Bible Students reform movement.

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

There are brothers in the Watchtower and among the Bible Students who would hope to keep the best of both- Soldering them together.

Okay, Frank.

I count myself in the group who would like a reformation of the WT/Bible Students movement in the manner of what happened with Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God. Those folks threw out all the crazy speculations and aberrations of Christian doctrine and are still around.

If the WT is to remain "around," I'd like to see a big change towards a more Christian doctrine and practice.

So let's start a discussion of what you've discussed with Bethelites, other JW pub's and Bible Students. I'll share some of my experiences. I'd rather have the discussion in this thread, with input from those who are interested in this part of the OP and not so much on the personal behavior of the hierarchy of both religions.

Or, if you'd like we can continue this discussion through a PM (just click on your username on top for PMs).

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Candace Conti Case

by truthseekeriam in

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filed:.

letter dated june 22, 2015, notifying the court that petitioners, watchtower and fremont congregation have reached a settlement with respondent, conti.. .

click here to request automatic e-mail notifications about this case..

oppostate

I'm very glad for Candace! I also hope she can have a happy and fruitful life.

What are the results in the case? Anyone here care to give us the rundown on the particulars of how much this case will set the WT back?

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Development_of_Bible_Students.svg

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Dawn Bible Students Association and Ken Fernets

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

the dawn bible students association has a problem.

ken fernets, when on the phone, shows his true colors to women who call.

he engages in flirtatious speech.

oppostate

The Dawn ( http://www.dawnbible.com/ ) Bible Students Association is as cultish as the WT. In my experience.

The Bible Students have quite a few different offshoots depending on when they separated from the WT.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62324/daughters-tower?page=1

In my estimation from having attended a few of their conventions is that the Berean Bible Students and those of the New Covenant Bible Student offshoot seem the most un-cultish.

You can tell the difference plainly between two congregations in Chigago,

the Russell following Chicago Bible Students http://chicagobible.org/

and the non-Russell following Berean Bible Students http://www.bbschurch.org/

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Need a good laugh?

by FadeToBlack in

if you could use a good laugh please have a look at page 7 of the july 2015 awake.

my wife leaves the latest issues on my pillow when she gets back from her meetings.

i often scan through them looking for nonsense.

oppostate

This person on the canoe is being very unsafe.

Instead of a power-red-tie he should be wearing a life-vest or some sort of flotation device (maybe even featuring a JWorg logo on it).

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The Confederate Flag

by Simon in

the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

oppostate

Simon, just tell us how you really feel.