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poopsiecakes
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A time for reflection and compilation
by sabastious init has been my one of my greatest honors to post here on this forum.
i arrived almost 2 years ago looking desperately for some ears to listen.
that is exactly what you gave me and more.
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How to get around 2 John 9-11
by WildeLover ini have a query about this section of scripture that deals with shunning and dfing according to the washtowel, bile and trash society.. i tried to speak to a friend on this.
and she came back at me with this and i was stumped.. if i commit a sin against god and am dfed, theni have grossly offended him.
thus jws as friends of god would shun me as i have wronged god.
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poopsiecakes
From jwfacts.com
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php
2 John 10
Watchtower extreme treatment of not even saying "hello" to a disfellowshipped Witnesses is not based on the above scriptures, but rather on a single statement at 2 John 7-11:
For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Look out for yourselves, that YOU do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that YOU may obtain a full reward. Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching,never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
2 John is referring to the antichrist and should not be applied across the board to all forms of sin, as done by the Watchtower Society.
In order to justify their stance, the Watchtower describes those that stop being Witnesses as apostate and of the Antichrist, saying that "the word apostasy comes from a Greek word that literally means a standing away from but has the sense of desertion, abandonment or rebellion ... [and included] abandonment of right moral standards ... willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the 'antichrist." Watchtower 1985 Jul 15 p.31 In reality, many who stop being Witnesses continue to follow Jesus and Bible morals, but have come to believe that the Watchtower Society is not directed by Jesus.
Interestingly, Johns advice here was not limited to former Christians. It included anyone denying Christ. This included Jews that rejected Jesus and people of the nations worshipping other Gods. Yet the Watchtower stance is to apply this only to Jehovah's Witnesses.
The meaning of the phrase never receive him into YOUR homes should be understood in the context of the hospitality of first century Jerusalem. Since Christians held congregation meetings in their homes John possibly felt that inviting a denier of Christ into a home could be viewed as sharing worship with non-Christians.
Likewise the term to never say a greeting to him needs to be understood in light of first century practice. It is wrong for the Watchtower to claims that John used the term a greeting to indicate a simple hello.John here used khairo, which was a greeting like good day or hello. (Acts 15:23; Matthew 28:9) He did not use aspazomai (as in verse 13), which means to enfold in the arms, thus to greet, to welcome and may have implied a very warm greeting, even with an embrace. (Luke 10:4; 11:43; Acts 20:1, 37; 1 Thessalonians 5:26) So the direction at 2 John 11 could well mean not to say even hello to such ones.Watchtower 1988 April 15 p.27
This article claims the word khairo is used to forbid a simple greeting, instead of aspazomai which means a more affectionate embrace, enfolding in the arms, kiss, greeting or welcome. The writer seems to be confused as the very opposite is true. Strongs states;
- 5463 chairo {khah'-ee-ro} 1) to rejoice, be glad 2) to rejoice exceedingly 3) to be well, thrive 4) in salutations, hail! 5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute
- 783 aspasmos {as-pas-mos} 1) a salutation, either oral or written
2 John does not indicate a polite greeting is wrong. John here shows that a person is a sharer in the Antichrists wicked works if he shows acceptance and agreement with the evildoers cause or teachings, or wishes them favour and success.
The Watchtower Society uses this single Scripture in 2 John to dictate that every disfellowshipped or disassociated person should not even be politely greeted. This is applied regardless of what the person was disfellowshipped for, including a long list of Society originated rules such as gambling, smoking, or authorising a blood transfusion. Every single one of a disfellowshipped persons Witness friends is told to never greet them again, unless they repent and are formally reinstated by the Watchtower Society. I am aware of friends whose own mothers or their own children have not spoken to them for upwards of 20 years. Yet such shunning is only ever discussed once, was only to apply to the Antichrist, and as such is being misused to its extremity. -
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Evolution disproved by 11 year old niece
by StopTheTears inmary: what's evolution?.
me: well it's kinda complicated.
they think plasma gave birth to monkeys which gave birth to humans.
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Evolution disproved by 11 year old niece
by StopTheTears inmary: what's evolution?.
me: well it's kinda complicated.
they think plasma gave birth to monkeys which gave birth to humans.
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poopsiecakes
Nancy, you're using an analogy very similar to one the WT used in their Creation book - the very same book where they took multiple quotes out of context and outright misquoted other books and articles by scientists to push their agenda.
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"NEW LIGHT" FROM BROTHER WALDO D/O SANTA MARIA ,CALIFORNIA 1/22/2012 "HOW JEHOVAH IS LIKE BROTHERS ACCUSED OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis ini was shocked to hear how the slander against jehovah's name that we see in the world can be compared to a good man accused of being a child molester.
he went on to describe how terrible such an accusation would be, and how "friends" of the accused would know he's not capable of such an act and would rally to his defense.
at several points in the talk, he refers back to the child molester "example" and how eventually, despite the hideous slander heaped on a man in this situation (depicting jehovah in the bigger picture, we assume), that man's good reputation would be restored.
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poopsiecakes
Seems like Waldo has some skeletons in his closet...
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Atheism 2.0
by Qcmbr inapologies if this has been posted before or even discussed.. this ted talk gets at the heart of what atheism is missing and my wife an di discussed this for a long time last night.
in short religion provides a framework for meeting, for ritual, for art, education and sociality.
without this framework atheism can seem lonely harsh and certainly disorganised (the general idea that education and culture can replace the gap may well be true but without a formal structure the route to personal mental fulfillment is somewhat piecemeal and patchwork.
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poopsiecakes
Nancy, when a JW apologist posts on the board and they're responded to with facts about their religion by you or others, do you see that as people feeling superior or are they trying to get that person to think about what they believe?
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I need to get a credit card, any suggestions?
by EntirelyPossible ini got all of my credit scores yesterday and it turns out i have a low credit score because i have almost no debt and haven't had a credit card in years.. i need to get a card to build some debt and all that good stuff.
should i go for miles, cashback, something else?.
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Gave 5 JW's Something to Think About at a Starbucks Today
by flipper ini was having coffee at a starbucks located in a supermarket chain in one of the towns i work in my business .
while sitting there doing paperwork , what looked like 3 elders on their field service break sat at a table no more than 4 feet from me .
after eavesdropping it was obvious they were elders as they were talking about the c.o.
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poopsiecakes
Yay Flipperkins!
It's always good when they stop talking long enough to stare a little. It means they may actually be thinking, and who knows where that may lead. Maybe just telling someone else in their congregation about the conversation will plant a seed elsewhere and THAT person will be the one to wake up. It's happening every day...
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poopsiecakes
::giggle::
I can only speak for myself here, but my mind used to be pretty made up about the flood. It was a real event and God did it cuz those nasty angels came down from heaven and played hide the weenie with earth chicks.
sorry...I have to put the quote in again.
It is apparent that nothing could convince you of something you have made your mind up about, that is why you tear holes in things you know little about.
sorry...
Then ummmm I read a bit outside of WT literature and ummm started using logic in my ummmm brain and the story I was convinced about fell apart pretty quickly.
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poopsiecakes
Ok I promised I wouldn't laugh at truthseeker because I think he's really sincere and I kinda like him.
But this comment...
It is apparent that nothing could convince you of something you have made your mind up about, that is why you tear holes in things you know little about.
sorry but the irony is just too delicious
