Posts by nugget

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My son's heart is broken

by ruderedhead in

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friends

i'm sure someone here has experienced this before.

please help me help my son.

his wife of 15 months told him last night that she needs her space, that what she wanted 1 year ago isn't the same as what she wants now.

I feel for your son, he is trying to do his best but it seems that whilst he loves her she no longer loves him as much as she did and she wants different things. Sometimes relationships are unequal and some people are more in love than others. Your son has been so busy working and travelling he probably didn't notice signs of cooling off so this is a horrible shock. She may have been unhappy for a while and this has been brewing for a while. Long distance relationships are vulnerable.

He could try counselling but for it to work both of them do need to want to try. If she refuses to give it a go he may have to walk away which is easier said than done. If they are talking that is good but your son also needs to listen carefully to what she says so he can understand why she feels as she does.

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A story of brotherly love.....

by Tatiana in

since i've been here, from around july, 2001, i haven't really shared any personal experiences of why i left the society, except for the story about my sister who committed suicide.

this is kind of long, so i will tell it in parts.

if this is god's organization, i will gladly be a devil worshiper.. here goes....... when i was about 27 years old, (around 1984) after my divorce, i'd moved from laurens, south carolina back to andrews, sc, and rented the house beside my grandmother.

nugget

Her death was not a vain one since it accomplished a great deal. I am so sorry that you had to go through this painful experience. You did all you could and gave a dying woman compassion and dignity. Although at the end you could not be with her she knew that her daughter was coming and that all had been forgiven that is probably the greatest thing you could have done for her at that time.

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more wifey issues. she seen my phone and this web site was op

by unstopableravens in

my son grab my phone and wifey seen this site.

on for a second she was mad.

led into arugment today.

nugget

I truly hate the idea that waiting on Jehovah is the only option. In the Bible there is no indication that Jehovah appreciated apathy and blind acceptance of what was wrong. He didn't hold back from punnishing the nation of israel for blindly following their religious leaders. JWs use the line in the same way small children put their fingers in their ears to block out unpleasant information.

She is your wife and it is natural that you love her but she is also controled by the society. Ask her to prove her statement that it is better to wait on Jehovah. Ask her if she dislikes a statement you make to prove it is untrue. If she won't defend her faith then what is it really worth? Don't press her too much as she will cling to what she knows she won't be able to help herself.

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HD Documentary Video About Watchtower Sex Abuse Cover-Up In Australia

by Scott77 in

part 01 of part 03. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6s7hc40ic&feature=relmfu.

part 02 of part 03. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wofze9o2-ue&feature=relmfu.

part 03 of part 03. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ia4lcw0di&feature=relmfu.

nugget

So tragic that this was made public in 2002 and yet nothing changed. Abusers were treated the same and more victims were created. The society has no shame and is fully aware of the transient interest people have in these stories. Hopefully the commision will make changes that they will be forced to comply with.

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You cant use Patterson! Court denies Watchtowers bond motion

by cedars in

here's my article on the latest development in the conti case.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/you-cant-use-patterson-court-denies-watchtowers-bond-motion.

i've tried to write it in such a way as to explain what's going on for people (like myself) who struggle to understand complex legal issues.. i've also availed myself of the help of a valued poster on this forum who wishes to remain anonymous.. i hope people will find the article helpful.

as always, if people notice any problems with it, please let me know (as kindly as possible!

nugget

The longer they drag this out the more petty and corrupt they seem. Their only aim must be that this is a war of attrition and they hope that she runs out of support before they do.

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Interesting quotes from the Feb 15th Watchtower (it's not a cult at all, honest!)...

by cedars in

well it's the 15th today, so i thought i'd check to see whether the feb 15th watchtower has been uploaded yet... and sure enough it has.. here is the link to the pdf.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/5a/w_e_20130215.pdf.

i've breezed through it and noticed that it is littered with odd stuff that would scream "cult!

" to an outsider, but which your average indoctrinated jw will just lap up as always.. here is my pick of the quotes.... the first article, entitled "this is our spiritual heritage" gives a very flattering whistle-stop tour of the history of god's organization - from abraham to tynedale to rutherford (bypassing russell altogether) before explaining that nothing will ever thwart jehovah's purposes.

nugget

It is interesting to see the continued distancing from Russell. I was also interested to seethe concept of the valley of protection. I have learnt how worthless the societies protection is in reality. A conditional valley dependent on where you are, who you are and what you believe.

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Should You Be Stumbled by Watchtower Errors? You Decide!

by Ethos in

nugget

The religion calls itself "The Truth". This implies they have set themselves a high standard to be truthful. The religion also imposes penalty on those that deviate from current teachings which can include shunning by family members. So the religion is saying not only that they are "the Truth" but also all members have to follow their version of truth without question or personal viewpoint.

If they make a mistake and then change their doctrine you have to accept that at some point they taught something that was incorrect and therefore not true. If it was not true it was a lie and fell short of the standard they have set for themselves. People may have died or been persecuted because they faithfully followed old doctrines for example on blood, they may have been Df'd because they disagreed with the societies interpretation of scripture and expressed doubts. Harm was caused.

We accept that humans make mistakes but whilst the society wants its members to accept that they are not infallible it also insists that members accept all changes without question. They never apologise for harm caused, they never contact those df'd for questioning doctrine and apologise. It is the arrogance and duplicity that is the cause of outrage and disgust. They use expressions such as new light to hide behind implying that what they are doing is tweaking interpretation and discourage members from looking into outside influences or talking to people with a different point of view.

It is heinous and if you aren't stumbled perhaps you haven't realised the size of the problem.

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Part 03: Compares And Contrasts From Any of The Following Posters.

by Scott77 in

this thread posted under 'fun and humor section', is intended compares, contrasts and to acknowledges the unique contributions of each poster and how he or she has affected you over the years.

its one of way of acknowledging a poster's presence on jwn from the perspective of fellow posters.

you are free to compare and contrast two or more posters.

nugget

1) compound complex constant source of interesting posts.

3)coffee_black by sharing with us her life she has helped me to feel that she is a real person.

5)AK - Jeff. made an impact on me from the moment I joined

6)snowbird constantly beats me at trivia however hard I try.

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Ok. I'm confused and slightly stunned.

by Left in the Cold in

on pages 54 & 55 of the "what has religion done for mankind" book the following quotes can be found.

considering adams decision to eat the fruit with eve it is written, "the woman was not to consult her husband first on the matter of eating, although god had made him first and had used him to construct the woman concerning the forbidden tree.

no, but she was to exercise woman's rights and show him she had better judgement.".

nugget

pot and kettle comes to mind. It is the same in the society many men stay although they are miserable for fear of losing their spouse. We often accuse others of our sins and it seems the society is no different.

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So utterly hurt.

by LouBelle in

jw
friends

today something happened that hurt me more than the jwks, more than the shunning, more than my sexual molestation, more than my hellish years at caxton and more than the year i've just had.. the moment i was told this, i felt like my insides had been ripped, torn, shredded and my heart squeezed of it's very life.

i put my head in my hands and for the first time in my life let out a primal gut wrenching wail.. my father had asked my gran why she has been treating me the way she has (which hasn't been very nice).

he though it strange considering how in the past i have helped her and given her so much.

nugget

So sorry for you. This was a dreadful lie and no wonder you were hurt. I am wondering whether you Gran has the beginnings of dimentia. THey often confuse past and present and the blending of two events into one would be possible. The trouble is they will believe profoundly in their version of reality.