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  NOAH’S BIBLICAL FLOOD ACTUALLY HAPPENED, SAYS FAMED ARCHEOLOGIST WHO FOUND THE TITANIC

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/11/noahs-biblical-flood-actually-happened-says-famed-archeologist-who-found-the-titanic/ .

  "the story of noah's ark and its associated flood continues to be retold to children and studied by theologians, alike.

  while some dismiss it as a mere fable, others believe wholeheartedly that the event literally unfolded, with a massive down-pouring of water ravaging the earth at god's command.

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  The idea of a flood in the area of the black sea is not new. There is evidence that the black sea was once a fresh water lake with civilizations on it's shores. When the ice melted and the Mediterranean sea rose salt water flooded into the region of the lake turning the water into salt water. The fresh water crustaceans died and the water level rose creating the Black Sea. There is evidence of fresh water crustaceans all dying out simultaneously in the Black Sea.

  There is the idea that a farmer built a raft or boat to save his animals from the rising water. Not 2 of every species in the world.
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  My Jw mother hates me and always has

  by 20yearfader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just need to vent,you see i was a born in.it's taken me 20 years after fading from the org to finally get my mind free from the wt dogma.i was on the phone with my aunt today and the subject of my mother her older sister came up.now mind you i haven't spoken to my mother in a month or so after my daughter stayed the weekend at her house and she was being tag teamed about the hall and how i took a vow to jehovah and i'm a failure and i'll be destroyed at armagedon.this exchange upset my daughter so much that she was near the point of tears when she returned home and she hasnt spoken to my mother or father since.anyway back to the conversation with my aunt,she let it slip that my mother told her that she wished she had let the seamen that fertilized the egg that produced me had slid down her legnno bear in mind i can remember as a child running into her room playing and she would say to me as a 7 year old child "i wished i had left you in oblivion"this is one of many such saying my mother had for me......i wasn't a bad child i just wasn't allowed to do anything such as going outside going over a friends house....etc,i have struggled for years as to why this woman hates me so.i got baptized at 15 really as a way of pleasing them what the hell does a child know at 15??

  ?granted it took me some time to get myself together and put those hurtful comments in the past,but today when my aunt let it slip about what my mother has said about me it was like pulling a scap off of a wound.my wife always complains about how im emotionless and distance,this was done by me as a way of protecting myself.so i've decided and i hate to say this that my christian god fearing parents...are dead to me there is no way i can have a relationship with people that are so wicked and since she never wanted me anyway....it works out for the best thx i just needed to vent i felt like i was going to pop..

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  My mother has happily told most of us that we were accidents, she never wanted any of us after the first one and has always had a relationship on her terms. One of my sisters went to a therapist and they told her that she is not a bad person because she does not love our mum. Love is not a right and parents can not treat children badly and expect to be loved in return.

  I feel for you and your daughter.
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  As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in the answers for a new poll.

  also, feel free to suggest other options, wording etc.agreed in full with the watchtower guidelinesagreed with shunning in general, but not for familywas stumbled by this practice but shunned as instructeddid not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people .

  for me personally, i did not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people, even whilst at bethel.

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  Shunning is a tough one siince my exposure to DF'd people was limited. I remember saying hello to someone who was DF'd when I saw them in the street and then felt guilty for years afterwards.

  I also remember sitting next to df'd people at the hall and trying to be friendly and sharing books with them since they were making an effort and it seemed churlish to be mean to them when they were trying so hard. We once saw a df'd person who had run out of petrol and took him to the petrol station and back so he could fill up his car. It never occurred to us to leave him stranded.

  I also know that if any member of my family had been df'd I would never have rejected them. In my mind df'ing was a loving discipline to bring someone to their senses not an act of rejection and I therefore lacked the essential coldness that is required to treat someone who is alive as if they are dead. However I was in a cult who knows how the constant drip feeding of poison would have affected me in the long term.
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  Birthdays & Christmas

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the deal with people criticizing jws because they don't celebrate birthdays or christmas?.

  it is as if when someone is born, from a baby, to a child, teen, adult; that one has a responsiblity to celebrate christmas (and i thought it was a free country); and others have a responsiblity to celebrate others' anniversary of one's birth.. i don't get the criticisms as if celebrating either is a great thing and the not celebrating is a bad thing.. data on star trek said that he does not understand why people celebrate their birthdays - a day one can not possibly remember.. what are you actually celebrating?

  the fact that you made it another year?

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  Celebrating anything should be a choice. I choose to celebrate because I think life needs joy. I also saw how not celebrating served to isolate my children from their peers. Birthdays and christmas does not have to be onerous or all about lots of presents it is about telling someone else that they are important to you and that you are glad they are in your life.
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  Should i go?

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, a good friend of mine, a pentecostal christian, invited me to go to a retreat with her church.

  we're the same age-19 years.

  we were friends before i became a witness and she was always patient and caring with me especially throughout my arrogant spell as a witness.

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  Personally I wouldn't but you must do what you think is right. It is very hard when you are in a retreat to back off and decline any other approaches. Also if you have come out of a high control group you need time to regroup your thoughts before exploring other religions.

  Love bombing and pressure occurs in a lot of religions and whilst you are still vulnerable I would politely decline. It gives you time to look at the religion critically before putting yourself in a high pressure situation.
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  My Fathers Memorial Service

  by William Penwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

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  The memorial service is not about your father. If you are lucky it will be given by an elder who knew him well and is willing to talk about him as a person. However the memorial service is just an excuse for them to preach their religion and the person is very much overlooked. The time is deliberately short to prevent the elder straying from the approved text.

  If you wish to celebrate your father's life then do so but this cannot be achieved by a JW service.
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  Just had a shep visit

  by Captain Obvious in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they just left.

  we had a nice "encouraging" chat about my inactivity.

  they went through the usual guilt routine, that didnt seem to work so they turned to fear.

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  at least you didn't get the instant death questions such as; "Do you believe the GB is god's representative on Earth?"
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  Are the Family of a Disfellowshipped Person Told in Advance?

  by Eustace in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread a comment by mamochan13 related this experience:.

  of course, after i was df'd my perspective changed.

  one meeting a couple of months into it they announced that a young girl, about 17, had been df'd.

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  It is another cruelty in a way that you have the onus to let family know since if they are not in your congregation they may not be aware of the anouncement.

  I told my family in another city since I felt that it was better they heard from me directly foolishly thinking I would be able to explain. I was wrong to expect some love and understanding from my older sister who did not want to know and treated me as scum as soon as she heard I was probably going to be Df'd. She would rather believe her concept of a corrupt faith than listen to any facts which was sad. She has barely spoken to me since and treats me as if I am invisible.

  This is a religion with no compassion and no quality.
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  Not sure what to do next

  by magotan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

  i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

  i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

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  Being gay is what you are it is not a lifestyle choice it is what makes you you. You deserve to be happy and to be able to find someone who loves you for who you are not what you believe.

  In the JWs life has to be lived within very narrow parameters and they ask all of members to make huge sacrifices for the organisation to remain part of it. In order to make these demands then the organisation needs to be worthy of you not you them. This should be where you start. If they themselves are whiter than white and if what they offer is valid then sacrifices may be justified but if they themselves are lacking they have no right to impose their morality on you or anyone else.

  You are still young but are in the dreadful position of having family held hostage to the organisation. However if you have not been baptised then do not make any moves towards being so and walk away.
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  Do me a favor please

  by Roberta804 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could all of you please visit my mother's funeral tribute page and say something genaricly nice with perhaps a reference to how happy you are that she found christ.

  say nothing about the jws, but something that referernces that she accepted christ in the last two years.

  the website is:.

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  Done