Posts by nugget

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RED LIGHT WARNING IN DECEMBER WT FOR UK

by The Searcher in

attention all uk congregations: .

the december 15th 2013 study edition contains a study article which will be used to 'prime' the sheep for fleecing in 2014 - in order to finance the new uk branch complex.. for those who are prepared to speak up on behalf of their hard pressed brothers and sisters, raise your hand and ask one relevant question before the elders' probable resolution/s - either to send a chunk of your congregation's bank balance to mill hill, or for each publisher to 'pledge' as much as they can;.

"can the body of elders explain to the congregation why the new branch isn't being self- financed by the miions gained from the sale of all the london properties?

nugget

The Watchtower Society sits on millions but has a callous disregard for the millions of people it keeps impoversihed. It could self fund the buildiing but they would prefer to take more money from the congregations.

They have to keep Mill Hill running and printing whilst they build they will then transfer the equipment across and then sell the London buildings. The build will need to be funded first. The society could take out a short term loan but why should they when there are people willing to throw money at them no questions asked. As they are only paying for materials not labour the new facilities will be built for a fraction of the cost of any commercial build.

The sickening thing is that they are not asking to borrow from the congregations they are taking from them and when the London properties are sold they will not be giving anything back they will be rubbing their hands and making pure profit.

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A View From Outside

by Joe Grundy in

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i never was a jw, and in many ways my interest was academic.

i have known, and know, some jws and ex-iws and know something of (but not personally) the effects that wtbts has on people.

the effects, imho, are not positive.

nugget

If a religion demands certain sacrifices from it's followers even to the point that they die for the cause then it has to be worthy of that sacrifice. If it is unwilling to be challenged and tested then it has no right to demand alliegence or respect.

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Just when I thought it was over I get a phone call

by label licker in

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one of the families in the hall called me last night and let another piece of the puzzle out.

apparently there was another family that we don't even know who had gotton a phone call from these jerk off elders down here questioning them about us and what they knew.

(anything negative).

nugget

This is like the Salem Witch trials where a small number of people revel in their authority and use it to abuse others. They move from one victim to another and like a dog with a bone they will not give up until they get what they want.

The fact that the JC was unsuccessful does not mean that they won't keep harassing others in an attempt to get what they want.

You either have to accept that this is not a level playing field and fight the inevitable causing you stress and anguish or walk away show them how irrelevent they are to you and your life. These men live in a small world where they are able to bully other people and puff themselves up because the organisation enables them to do so. They have an inflated view of their own importance and are out of control like petty bullies in school. The biggest power you have is to demonstrate that their opinion is of no interest to you, that they have no power over you. If they try to talk to you or invite you to a JC say no I have better things to do. If they threaten then advise them that this is now a legal matter and they should under no circumstances contact you or continue to harrass you or they may be financially liable for distress caused.

I still remember the stunned silence when the elder called me to tell me the outcome of my JC (which I didn't attend) He said I need to speak to you. My response was "No you don't" and I put the phone down. It was great taking back the power and control.

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Do You Think It Possible That A Member Of Governing Body Would Ever Commit Suicide Because Of The Pain From Cognitive Dissonance?

by frankiespeakin in

i think as things get real tuff for the governing body that the build up of stress from dealing with a corporation founded on lies and manipulation of people that is comming to a head and all the lawsuits and possible criminal prosecution and the day today pressure of having all your decision back fire on you.. the final stage of wishful thinking is the nightmare stage where the whole delusion falls apart.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wishful_thinking.

i'm thinking just like hitler killed himself rather than face life anymore, that some on the gb may reach that stage..

nugget

You have to feel a level of empathy and remorse for all the suffering you cause. These people have a swinging brick instead of a heart they really don't care at all.

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Nov 2013 KM Question Box. Head coverings on Doorstep bible studies

by BroMac in

should a female publisher wear a headcovering if she is accompanied by a male publisher at a door step bible study?

when a female publisher conducts a regular ,scheduled bible study and a male kingdom publisher is present, she should wear a head covering.(1cor.

11:3-10)the july 15, 2002 issue of the watchtower, page 27, explains: this is a pre arranged session of teaching where the one conducting the study actually presides.

nugget

Stupid, this is when a rule becomes ridiculous and self fulfilling. I have seen sisters put a tea towel on their head to say a prayer because a young brother was in attendance at a mid week meeting for field service. Does God really think that it is more respectful to say a prayer with a cleaning cloth, hanky or random piece cloth on your head?

I used to find this the most annoying rule even more annoying than the stand up or sit down for the National anthem.

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

nugget

One elderly sister was in hospital for an extended period and despite pleas from the platform she had few visitors. She was practically blind and was in a side room at the hospital. She had no company, couldn't watch telly and only saw nursing staff when they brought meals and did routine care. It was like being in prison. I was truly shocked when I visited and realised that this poor woman was spending days on her own with no entertainment and no company.

My mum is not attending meetings as she can barely make it from her bed to her day chair, she has no visitors although plenty of family to boss around.

Once someone is no longer fit and active they are put to one side and forgotten. Witnesses have so much pointless work to do they don't want to take on any additional responsibilities. People are not seen as people but as how spiritual they are and how much they contribute to the work etc. This is a religion that strips people of their humanity.

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Big JW Changes in The Netherlands (Holland)

by DeWandelaar in

news reached me a couple of days ago of some big changes in the netherlands for jehovah's witnesses.

a letter from the branch office was read in all congregations so it can easily be verified by lurkers and faders who are still visiting the congregations.. big changes:.

- they are going to sell one of the two assembly halls.

nugget

With all these sales of visible assets I am wondering whether this is a bid to liquidate assets and hide the money against future lawsuits as well as a cost cutting exercise.

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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)

by tec in

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peace!.

you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.

may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?

nugget

If you believe the bible account then although the disciples had evidence of miracles and saw Jesus in the flesh they had to have faith that the things he had promised would come to pass. This would have been relevent especially when disciples were executed and christians persecuted.

Those thousands that died for their faith without heavenly visions had to have faith that their sacrifice meant something and was not just a waste of a life.

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Who is your favorite "Apostate"? Who helped you see the truth about "The Truth"?

by minimus in

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i would have to say that ray franz was the biggest influence for me.. when i first got on this board, a poster by the name of james, a former bethelite and organization heavy, helped me understand a lot of the inner workings in the upper echelons of the society.. .

and of course, farkel's common sense approach was (usually) helpful..

nugget

Cantleave who started our exit, Ray Franz whose book lifted the scales from my eyes, this board who questioned my assumptions and therefore Simon without whom it would never have existed.

I would like to thank all the posters who encouraged us, supported us and took an interest in our exit.

The power of the ex jw community, it's support and warmth should never be under estimated.

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Am I wasting my time?

by mrhhome in

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i am the husband of an ex-jw.

she left when she was 18, because she was dating a non-jw.

they got married, and he began openly cheating on her.

nugget

No you are not wasting your time. You supported your wife and showed support, that is never a waste. You did not allow JWs to spout self righteous nonsense they need to be challenged. You did not enable their bad behaviour.

Trust me whilst a JW I was challenged several times. I never forgot a single one of those conversations, I remembered the words and the passion and they stuck in a way positive encounters did not. Who knows what long term effect your words will have but be sure they have had an impact.