Posts by nugget

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Necessary Family Business (NFB) is now acceptable according to the weekly WT Study

by Quarterback in

during the last decade i've seen so many articles, and top speakers try to downplay that nfb policy.

now, this weeks wt study mentions a positive experience of someone applying having, "contact and applying nfb with a df relative".

nugget

you have to balance this with the dram at the assembly which showed little to no contact with a Df'd child The child was told they had to leave home as they were a bad influence and the parents did not answer calls from the DF'd child. The implication is necessary family business goes only one way. If the parents need help from the Df'd child then they would contact them but since they do not answer calls from the child it really doesn't matter how desperate they are.

JW discipline is vindictive and spitefiul there is nothing devine about it. I see nothing positive here

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Single Sisters Over A Certain Age Group Getting A Bad Rap

by HiddlesWife in

i'm new here; one of my relatives was a member on this forum a few years ago and told me about it.

anyways, as a sister who has been in the org since childhood and now in her late 40's (plus as a woman of color), i have noticed that a number of brothers have an ageist attitude.

they are very accepting of young women under 26 and rejecting women over that age, particularly those in their 30's and over.. is this an unspoken mindset from wthq (specifically from bethel), or is it that quite a number of males (sorry, i'm not sexist here) have this type of mentality?

nugget

The main issue is that there are more sisters generally than brothers. This means that brothers have greater choices than sisters. I have observed that attractive young sisters will often be quick to find a husband whereas plain spiritual sisters seem doomed to spinsterhood.

It is natural for men to take advantage of this in balance. Because of the way the organisation is structured women have no status and only gain any position through the efforts of their husbands. This means that an attractive young woman may be prepared to settle for someone who they would under normal circumstances reject as not their type because there is fear that if they don't marry quickly they may never get another offer. This has led to a number of mismatched marriages and divorce within the congregation.

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2016-07-15 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN RUSSIA New law on missionary activity

by wifibandit in

2016-07-15 to all bodies of elders in russia re: new law on missionary activity.

translation:.

to all bodies of elders in russia new law on missionary activity.

nugget

They are basically saying that publishers are on their own. They must preach and share their beliefs but if they are arrested they are sharing their personal beliefs and no organisation has told them to carry out the work.

It is an example of double speak and I feel sorry for the followers who have to make sense of this.

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What crime should elders report?

by kramer in

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friends

so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.

how about criminal fraud if they come across it.

assault on a congregant?.

nugget

The witnesses supposedly hold themselves to a higher standard so no criminal act should be tolerated. What they say is that confessing to a sin and accepting spiritual punishment is sufficient. They are more concerned about whether or not it is a gross sin and whether someone is repentant. I think that this is a fallacy when there is a sanction for an act and consequences for a crime then a person should take the punishment imposed by the law. Elders do not have the rights of the confessional this has been established in court so they should not remain silent if a crime is made known to them.

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i'm leaving this site forever

by stan livedeath in

as the title says--i'm out of here for good.. the site is full of atheists, communists, 7th day adventists, creationists, believers, deceivers, receivers, football supporters,.

dodgy types, cantleave---and assorted wankers.. so no place for me--because i'm none of the above so dont fit in.

so--this is goodbye forever my friends--its been almost average knowing you.

nugget

I really thought we had something special I am sobbing into my tea.

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My son is coming home to me soon. Yey!!!

by KateWild in

my son sent me a wonderful song a month ago on this thread.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5704271907520512/my-wonderful-son.

it's amazing how a bad experience can trigger action.

nugget

It is good news but never underestimate the capacity of someone with a spiteful nature to make trouble. Hope for the best and plan for the worst. Fingers crossed that this works out well for both of you.

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I came here three years ago for support and to make friends

by KateWild in

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this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.

when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.

so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.

nugget

On line is a hard way to get to know people. When we are face to face we see the wry smile when an insult is given in jest. We can see when someone is becoming agitated or heated and change the subject. It is sometimes hard to pick up the same cues when all we have is the black and white. We also don't know the struggles that others are facing that may make them short tempered or intolerant of a point of view that is different from theirs.

Do not worry too much everyone is on their own life journey and a person may go through many transitions as they acquire knowledge that may cause them to modify what they believe to be true. Whilst it may be tempting to try impose an idea on someone else, personal growth needs us to work for our own answers to listen to opinions yes but look at the evidence ourselves and form conclusions. Robust debate that challenges our ideas is helpful providing it doesn't tip over into bullying. I haven't read the posts that spawned this one but carry on your research don't be discouraged be open minded and be excited by the challenge.

Don't judge others too harshly I found that the posters that seemed the harshest in my early months were ultimately the ones that stopped me falling back into old patterns of thinking and made me ask valuable questions.

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Just found out their about to baptise my 14 year old boy.

by Crazyguy in

there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.

not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.

also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.

nugget

If he has any form of special need then he may be more susceptible to peer pressure than most. This is certainly true of my son who is eager to please.

It is great news that he has changed his mind but I would stop the study stating that if the study conductor felt he was ready to be baptised then there is no need to continue or he did not fully understand your son's needs and it is not appropriate for him to visit. Use the time to spend time with your son and talk. If the study is allowed to continue then this will come up again. Your son doesn't need the pressure and you can act as his champion.

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There will be a Funeral service for Prince in the Kingdom Hall this sunday

by Farai in

about 30-50 high profile guests are expected among 300 other guests.

the kingdom hall has requested for support from the police for crowd/traffic control .

http://kstp.com/news/email-details-prince-funeral-minnetonka-jehovahs-witness-kindom-hall-police-traffic-crowd-control/4136002/http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/05/13/prince-memorial-scheduled/.

nugget

They will be grossly disappointed unless they do a special memorial for Prince rather than the advertoral funerals usually are.

According to the link this memorial hasn't been requested by the family either.

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To the lurkers: This cult of a religion keeps killing my marriage over and over

by goingthruthemotions in

first let me say, if i could turn back time and never get involved with this cult.

i would.. to the lurkers: .

if you on the fence and could leave.

nugget

It is true that despite their propaganda the truth is that no one in the religion has a normal family life. The family is of less value to them than the organisation they worship. Family relationships are conditional on belief and non believers can be treated cruelly and harshly and they feel justified in doing it. They will tell people they love them and are being cruel to be kind but they don't really know what love is.

The pain and misery they cause through their attempts at control is unforgiveable and the religions intrusion into marriage is sickening. Married couples should talk to one another, share their thoughts and plans and make decisions about their life together based on mutual respect. In the witness world this doesn't truly happen because husbands and wives are constantly policing how their spouse conforms to the policies of an organisation. They make few decisions together since they have limited choices they can make. Elders intrude into the most intimate aspects of marriage and if one partner slips they lose all control since they are sidelined and elders step in and take control of the spouse that is still in.

I have seen the pain in my fathers marriage and how unreasonable and intolerable it is. This is not a religion of love and never has been it is a religion about control and profit and people who follow it don't need to be happy they just need to be obedient.