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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  Interesting points you bring up Tina. I must ask however where was all this self control your talking about when you were applauding Simon’s booting of the homosexual basher ( I don’t remember his name, I never read his thread).

  My point is that there is a double standard, its okay to attack some people but not others, and it’s ok to remove some people but not others. What a load.

  My opinion is that let everyone post don’t boot anyone for any reason. I agree with Prisca in that I find many posters here to be unpleasant to put it mildly; however I don’t believe that any form of moderation will work so I just avoid certain posters threads.
  Maybe a solution would be some kind of ignore button if possible (I am unfamiliar with the requirements for coding this DB).

  Jelly
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  Does Genesis Teach a Local Flood?

  by JanH in

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  i went to the homepage for ray franz' commentary press, and i found an article there promoting the idea that genesis teaches a local flood.

  the author believes the genesis flood actually happened, as a local event, and that an ark actually were floating on top of local flood waters in the mesopotamia area some thousand years ago.

  i recognized many arguments from a talk carl olof jonsson gave at a "christian freedom" seminar in sweden in, i think, 1996, so i guess that this article, too, is written by coj.

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  Those pesky Chinese……

  Anyway, I think that Genesis, and the entire Hebrew library, make more sense when you look at them as a set of myths to convey a message. I believe there may have been some kind of flood (local) that was used as a back drop for the story of Noah, but the facts are not relevant, the theme of the story is. Now we can argue about the theme of the myth of Noah for days with people drawing what ever conclusion from it that fits their own set of prejudices.

  Fundamentalists amaze me; they refuse to acknowledge that the bible contains myths. This is even more astounding when you look at the example of Jesus, a man that continually used metaphor to prove his point. My point is that if Jesus was the perfect example of God (theoretically the author of the bible) and used metaphor to deliver his message, isn’t it logical that God would also use metaphor to deliver his message.

  While I am rambling on, another thing I have noticed is the similarities between people that think they have all the answers, fundamentalist and rabid (not all) atheist. Fundies believe that the whole bible must be factual correct or no God; foaming at the mouth atheists feel that there is no god because the bible is not factually correct. Really these are two groups I can’t stand. Every thing must be black or white, no grey, no maybe, no middle ground; even in matters of opinion. I see very little difference between them as people.

  Jelly

  Reply to objections before they are aired:

  I am not addressing all atheist or religionist; just one class of each. I am aware some people become atheist for reasons other than I have listed; reasons I find more valid. Likewise, I am not condemning all Christians; just the radical subset of the group. To me fundies/rabid atheist are indistinguishable.
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  Does Science Prove The Existence of God?

  by AngelofMuZiC in

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  first, i would like to say...... hooray for me>>>>this is my 100th post.

  should i get a cake?

  (hehe i know i'm corny) i plan to keep on posting, cuz i love mostly everyone here, and i have fun.. here's the real question....does science and all of these evolution theories actually prove the existence of a designer...god?

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  Hi, three quick things.

  1. I liked your post.

  2. I believe in God.

  3. No science does not prove the existance of God.

  Jelly
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  Layed Off!

  by Defender in

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  no matter how you think you are ready for such an eventuality, it still remains stressful when it finally does happen.. until last friday, i worked as a systems engineer for a large canadian telecom equipment manufacturer that has been laying off thousands of employees.

  their target was 30,000 and they are almost there.

  i dont know, but maybe my number was 25,879...or something.. anyone out there works or used to work for this company?

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  jelly

  Let me guess,

  Northern Telecom, or are they now called nortel networks. The amazing thing is that they are predicting a return to profitability in one year. I wonder if they realize that it takes employees to earn money.

  Jelly
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  Any Chess Players in here?

  by jelly in

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  hello,.

  any chess players in here, and if so how about a match on yahoo?.

  jelly

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  Sorry I took so long to get back to you all, my ISP engaged in some unauthorized turmoil.

  About six months ago at work, I met a man from Yugoslavia, he was an amazing player he had actually won some tournaments in Europe. Quite a feat!! He began to show me how to improve my game and although I am still a beginner (I rank about 1300 on yahoo) I would enjoy to get some games in with some of you.

  I’ll try to email some of you gamers this weekend to set up a game.

  Thanks jelly
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  Any Chess Players in here?

  by jelly in

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  hello,.

  any chess players in here, and if so how about a match on yahoo?.

  jelly

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  jelly

  Hello,

  Any chess players in here, and if so how about a match on yahoo?

  Jelly
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  Never Hire A Jehovah's Witness!

  by Kent in

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  if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.

  the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!

  you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!

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  Sam,

  Just so you know I am in management and I do have the authority to hire and fire people, but you are correct in that I have never had to deal with JW's. The way I get around any employee problems is to hire all new people as temps after 3 months you know if you want to keep that person or not. If the employee is a keeper hire them if not cancle their contract and bring in another temp. Simple solution.

  Jelly
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  Seriously: Was this board for active JWs??

  by Eyebrow in

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  i have rarely found anything written by active jws here.

  it causes me to wonder if this was actually set up by an active jw and got out of hand.

  especially since the site asks us not to stumble our brothers.. ooooo....i have been warned about evil boards like this!!

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  Warning I might be speaking out of turn here.

  I remember browsing this board when it was first established and days would go by with no posters. Its my opinion that Simon set this board up to be a type refuge for JW's that are leaving, out, or just in some way been victimized by the organization. Initially I think Simon was a little concerned that if the board was filled with apostates that some JW's that needed help would not look here for it. I remember that Shuan (the webpage person) got her posting priviges revoked for being an apostate. My point is that I believe originally Simon maybe wanted this board to be a little gentler but he would have to confirm that himself.

  Jelly
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  To All Here..... just a question....

  by 7robert7 in

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  i'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?

  and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?

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  Just a thought on why so many Ex-JW's are atheist.

  Outside of the fundi churches many people that call themselves christians do not base their faith on the bible. The bible is thought of as one of the tools that people use to get to know their creator and not the only tool. Many liberal xian churches also believe that the bible is not inerrant, and that we must realize that some of the bible is not the inspired word of god, but instead the word of man.

  As Jehovahs witnesses our whole faith was based on the bible. As JW's leave the organization they begin to learn about the bible and realize that it is not inerrant. This I believe has one of two effects:
  (1) people decide the bible is wrong therefore no God exist, or
  (2) people decide that the bible was not written to convey facts but was written to convey a general message. Leading to a more liberal view of God and spirituality.

  Jelly
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  To All Here..... just a question....

  by 7robert7 in

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  i'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?

  and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?

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  jelly

  I believe in some form of God. I believe that if you look at the examples of Jesus, Gahndi, and Mother Teresa, you can see examples of God like behavior in people; examples worthy of emulation.

  I don't believe in the god of fundementalist, JW's, or really any organization that believes they have 'all the answers'.

  Jelly