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  US anti-abortionist faces execution

  by ignored_one in

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  us anti-abortionist faces execution

  the first man to face the death penalty in the united states for killing a doctor who performed abortions is to be executed on wednesday.

  paul hill, 49, is due to die by lethal injection in northern florida, following his conviction of the murder of two people outside an abortion clinic in 1994. .

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  jelly

  If killing 'incovenient' people was legal I would go on a three day rampage.

  Terry
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  Johnny Depp Likens U.S. to 'Dumb Puppy'

  by closer2fine in

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  http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030903/d7tb04380.html

  johnny depp likens u.s. to 'dumb puppy'

  sep 3, 11:00 am (et) .

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  jelly

  I just skimmed this thread so I might be wrong, but I dont believe anyone said JD shouldn't be allowed to speak his mind.

  To those on the left:

  criticizim does not equal censorship.

  Terry
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  I didn't get the job

  by Elsewhere in

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  i have been doing contract work for about four years now and i have been trying to get a permanent position for well over a year.

  last week i did an interview for a job that would have been perfect.

  it was even very close to where i live... within a five minute drive.. this morning i got feedback and they really liked me, but decided to go with another candidate.

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  Scary stuff elsewhere,

  The whole tech sector is shot. I could have finished my degree last spring in MIS, but I postponed graduating because the economy was so bad. This semester I am finishing a certificate in web programming but I am not sure it will help me much. I am thinking about just getting another BS in accounting or going on to grad work. The important thing is not to give up but keep trying sooner or later these things work out.

  Terry
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  Judge Roy Moore (The Ten Commandments Judge)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  i'd like to hear everyone's comments about judge roy moore, the "ten commandments judge" in alabama.. i have a couple of questions:.

  here is what the constitution of the united states of america says:.

  that's it.. is judge roy moore congress?.

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  Rem,

  I am not a religous guy by any standard, just letting you know where I am coming from. It seems your standard is very subjective, what is so clear to you is not so clear to everyone else. When does a statue of Moses change from a simple work of art and become a religious icon? It is a bit like the pornography argument, what is one mans porn is another mans art. Any way I dont see how a statue of the ten commandments supports any religion. It reminds me of the time after an assembly I was eating with the brothers at a chinese resturant. This restuarant had excellent almond cookies but because the cookie plate was placed before a statue of budha no one would eat the cookies. I did not follow the logic then and I dont now.

  Heathan,

  At least you are consistant. Either we need to define what can stay, exactly, or it all goes. No seperate standards for pagan, christian, islam.

  Terry
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  Judge Roy Moore (The Ten Commandments Judge)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
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  i'd like to hear everyone's comments about judge roy moore, the "ten commandments judge" in alabama.. i have a couple of questions:.

  here is what the constitution of the united states of america says:.

  that's it.. is judge roy moore congress?.

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  jelly

  I agree most of what you said elsewhere. I am still curious as to how this new adaptation of the law is going to be enforced. Is it just the judeo-christian stuff that needs to go, or everything. Rem mentioned only things that take a 'special meaning' -- what does that mean. It seems to the current fervor to remove icons of christianity reeks of a low scale purdge.

  Terry
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  Judge Roy Moore (The Ten Commandments Judge)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
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  i'd like to hear everyone's comments about judge roy moore, the "ten commandments judge" in alabama.. i have a couple of questions:.

  here is what the constitution of the united states of america says:.

  that's it.. is judge roy moore congress?.

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  So then whats the answer? You realize that relgious imagery is everywhere, not just christain but pagan. Are we going to need to strip all references of relgion from our public buildings? If we just strip some but not all, who decieds what stays and what goes? Are we going to become like JW's who will not use the word luck becuase its orgin was pagan?

  Seems to me like alot of people are overeacting. I not relgious but I am not anti-relgious either and I have trouble seeing how a statue of the ten commandments could be interpreted as some form of state sanctioned relgion. If moore was using the ten commandments as a law reference, then yes I see a problem; but it is just some statue so I dont see a problem. I mean are the statues of pagan gods in the supreme court indicitive of the supreme court attempting to force paganism on us all? The watchtower would think so. I think to many people get to worked up about this issue. And the way the country is acting is displaying some brooklyn like behavior IMHO.

  Terry
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  Lauryn Hill racist comments?

  by Brummie in

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  during an mtv interview singer lauryn hill said, "i would rather die than have a white person buy one of my albums.

  true or false?

  the inflammatory comment hill supposedly made varies: .

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  jelly

  Remeber the mike tyson escapades.

  Which one. My favorite Mike Tyson line was when he told that reporter... 'I want to eat your children'.

  Who even thinks to say something like that.

  Terry
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  Judge Roy Moore (The Ten Commandments Judge)

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
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  i'd like to hear everyone's comments about judge roy moore, the "ten commandments judge" in alabama.. i have a couple of questions:.

  here is what the constitution of the united states of america says:.

  that's it.. is judge roy moore congress?.

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  jelly

  I think you are asking two questions here. First, the law Moore broke was contempt of court. He is subordinate to the federal judges, and that is the law. The second question I think your asking is why do the Ten Commandments need to be moved, what law does them being placed in the hall of the courthouse break? Honestly, I am not sure what the answer to your second question is. We have statues of Greek gods in our courthouses, the Supreme Court has the Ten Commandments, I don’t quite understand what the deal is here. Are we going to need to strip all hints of religion from all aspects of our public life? I am not sure where this is going to end.
  
  Terry
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  Why were the jews hated so much?

  by fairy in

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  i was watching a movie last night "the true story of anne frank"............her family were jews and they hid from the germans for a while till someone dobbed them in....they went to concentration camps, treated like s**t etc etc;.

  jews were treated like cattle...like nothing...its terrible.... why?

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  jelly

  While I am no scholar on the subject, I think four issues come into play with the hatred of the Jews. Remember also, that hatred of the Jews has been around for about 1900 years, it did not start with Hitler, he just capitalized on it.
  
  First, anti-Semiticism got its start about 1900 years ago with the belief that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. Many interpret the bible as showing the Jews were a force against the church and tormentors of the church’s founding fathers. This was a bad thing to be early in the first millennia when the church was all-powerful. These anti-Semitic feelings began here with the church and were particularly strong in Europe.
  
  Second, the Jews did not change their culture. They stuck to their religion and sub-culture so the never integrated into the larger societies they found themselves living in. This could cause problems because the world of 100 AD to 1970 AD did not value diversity as much as we do now. Remember, until recently people burned people for witchcraft and all kinds of other stupid reasons; being different sometimes had dire consequences. This reinforced the anti-Semitic feelings that already existed in Europe and caused the hate to grow stronger over time.
  
  Third, since the Jews were relatively few in number but a large enough group to be noticed. Basically, they had no political power. So basically, once the hatred of the Jews started they were never able to marshal enough strength to overcome it, they always just stayed locked in this permanent second-class citizen status. They were never destroyed but never accepted.
  
  Fourth, the Jews made great scapegoats. If it is the Middle Ages and people are dropping like flies because of the Black Death, nobles would blame the Jews for poisoning the wells. After the Jews were killed off in an area, the people would split up their stuff. Basically, hated and weak are a bad combination.
  
  I wrote this quickly I hope it makes some sense. Basically, the hate started with the church, the fact that Jews do not change their culture to fit their surroundings increased the hate. The Jews were never big enough to protect themselves, and sometimes greedy nobles needed someone to blame to focus the local populations anger and the Jews were a convenient target.
  
  Terry
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  Is the US a Christian Country? Should it be?

  by jst2laws in

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  in a different discussion another poster made a popularly accepted statement about the religious foundation of the united states.

  "some say that our nation has never been a christian nation, but i think history shows that it has been, from the start.

  " borgfree.

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  jelly

  I think the US Government should be a secular government and take no sides with any religion at all. However, I do not think the government should be anti-religious either. For example, I am by no means a Christian but I like Christmas, I like the decorations and I don’t want to see them go. I mean if you can’t have a baby Jesus in a manger decoration because its religious why can you have a tree which we all know has religious origins. Also if you throw out the ten commandments because they are identified with Judeo-Christian theology what about all the references to other religions in our society. Are we going to have to change the calendar because the months have religious origins? It all sounds a little JW like to me. I think we can get on a slippery slope on either side of this issue, we of course would never want to become a theocracy, but we can get just as insane going the other direction.
  
  Terry