It sounds to me as though she was genuinely confused about the wt policy and probably didn't want anything that wt doesn't allow. This mistake will pfobably save her life. Women are really the worst off from this policy as blood is often needed when there is a pregnancy/birth complication such as this. Putting aside my views that preg/birth is overmedicalisedin the west,as a group women are worse off when it comes to banning blood transfusions because of pregnancy/birth related complications.
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Husband tries to block his wife from receiving a transfusion
by ldrnomo inhttp://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1016/blood-transfusion-jehovahs-witness.html.
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My Near Death Experience
by Dogpatch inhi y'all, just wanted to let you know i was out for a stroll on my bicycle for exercise last week and got hit by a car 100 yards from my house.
it was a hit and run.
i got up with only minor bruises but felt really dizzy and asked one of my roommates to take me to the hospital as i was dizzy and felt i was going to pass out on the spot in the middle of the street.
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My good ness why didn't they feed you in hospital. The American health system sounds like its worsening and sadly I think Australia isn't far behind it :(
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by stuckinlimbo incould someone please explain how to add a photo.
i think you have to host it on the web, if so is there a free place to do that?
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Thank you
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by stuckinlimbo incould someone please explain how to add a photo.
i think you have to host it on the web, if so is there a free place to do that?
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could someone please explain how to add a photo. I think you have to host it on the web, if so is there a free place to do that?
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German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault
by mind blown inwonder how jw germans get around the blood/issue doctrine?.
http://news.yahoo.com/german-court-outlaws-religious-circumcision-172728400.html.
circumcising young boys on religious grounds amounts to grievous bodily harm, a german court ruled tuesday in a landmark decision that the jewish community said trampled on parents' religious rights.. the regional court in cologne, western germany, ruled that the "fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed thefundamental rights of the parents", a judgement that is expected to set a legal precedent.. "the religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to becircumcised," the court added.. the case was brought against a doctor in cologne who had circumcised a four-year-old muslim boy on his parents' wishes.. a few days after the operation, his parents took him to hospital as he was bleeding heavily.
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I need say no more except my heart breaks for every poor baby boy who is subjected to this cruel and barbaric procedure
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This made me awfully sad
by corpusdei injust came across this post, where a disfellowshipped blogger posted the letter from his witness mother in which she cuts off the relationship between them.
although i was the one to slam the door and cut off communication with my viper of a mother, my heart goes out to this guy - it's to their shame that the witnesses allow their religion to do this to family..
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Thisis sad and freaky for me because that letter is so much the same as the one sent to my husband by his mother. It is almost word for word in parts! But my husband and I are only faded! He just made the mistake of confiding to her about hick of belief in the society and god, because SHE made him feel like he could talk to her and she was all thankful and understanding and the the letter arrived in the mail... weak... anyway she later retracted it after my husband back tracked on the unbelief in god "you misunderstood me, etc" for the sake of peace and maintaining the relationship (although we keep our distance, it iseasier this way) But unbelievable the letters are so much the same! with the emphasis on the mother maintaining HERrelationship with god, the fact that her son has hurt HER, the statement SHE has done everything to bring himup in the "truth" wanted himto be happpy, etc, and will always love him :/
We will never forgive her for that letter.
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My mother is trying to indoctrinate my 4 year old and I do not know what to do
by jwfacts inmy mother lives a plane trip away from me, so does not get to spend very much time with zac.
however, she is in sydney for 3 weeks and has been babysitting.
i knew that she would be talking about jehovah, but was very annoyed yesterday when zac said my mother was speaking all day about jehovah, such as how he made the stars.. in the past, i was not overly concerned if zac learnt about jehovah's witnesses, as i thought it would help with critical thinking skills to understand different points of view.
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I agree it's not a good idea to cut off all contact. In my case my son is blessed with lovely doting grandparents and I won't take that away from him because I will make sure he is taught to think and exposed to differing views, so there should not be a problem.
I just finished writing a post about what happened last week, but it is a bit incoherent I am afraid!
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Not disfellowshipped, not shunned by JWs, but my Bro's Family? That's a whole different story...
by stuckinlimbo inso my niece was disfellowshipped about 18 months ago for having a worldly boyfriend who was obviously staying over at her place on a regular basis.
they now have a house together an are going strong.
her boyfriend is a nice guy.
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So my niece was disfellowshipped about 18 months ago for having a worldly boyfriend who was obviously staying over at her place on a regular basis. They now have a house together an are going strong. Her boyfriend is a nice guy. They rarely go out and party, they both have good jobs, and are basically really nice young people.
Her father, my brother (a ms), has taken a particularly hard line and enforces strict shunning of her apart from occasional harassment of her via text message. His behaviour at the time of her disfellowshipping was scary involving death threats, violence and destruction of her property. My brother and his wife have quite a few children so she has grown up with a large family around her so to be cut off completely from all her brothers and sisters is devastating to say the least.
I've been inactive for nearly 6 years, my contact with this brother and his family was mainly limited to assemblies and the occasional family gathering, so following my inactivity, I have not seen much of them. They visited when my son was born 3 1/2 years ago but that's about it. But we were still on speaking terms.
My older brother (who is an elder) and his family all speak to us when they visit (they live quite a distance away) and we just don't talk about religion, and I just have to put up with "convention this" and "jehovah that" in their conversation amongst the JW family.
So imagine my shock when sitting down at a cafe I suddenly realise that my brother and his family have been there for quite some time, probably watching me while I was waiting for my order. I only realise this as my broher was making a quick exit past me, closely followed by his wife, who I caught with a "Oh hi I didn't realise you were there!" My brother had taken off, I doubt that he hadn't seen me, at least my sister-in-law managed to be civil and ask how I was. After an approximately 15second conversation of pleasantries she took off leaving my two JW nieces sitting with whoever was the latest "hanger on". During the very brief conversation with their mother I had mouthed hello and waved in their direction, with them apparently not seeing me. But when their other had left I said "hello!" clearly with them in clear view only a couple of metres away, they kinda looked off to the side like they hadn't heard. So I said "Are you ignoring me?" in an incredulous sort of tone, "No." They said. I went on "Because I just said hello to you and you didn't say anything". They then did a sarcastic "Hello" and the younger niece made a production of a wave. Then they started giggling towards their "hanger on" who was facing away from me. The older niece said "I'm going" but I don't remember whether she actually moved or not. I was seeing red. I just said "I think you are ignoring me and I think it's really weak!" It took all my effort not to give them a piece of my mind on how they are treating their sister, and what poor excuses for human beings they are, but I do still pity them and I don't want to ruin their chances of ever getting out by confirming their view of people who have left being angry and bitter. I picked up all my food and drinks and went out to another area where my husband was watching my son, he couldn't see from where he was what had transpired. I was shaking. I was 8 months pregnant and was worried because it is not good for me to be getting that emotionally upset. These girls love babies and they were obviously shunning me because otherwise they would have been all over me about when the baby was due, etc, because they haven't seen me for the whole of my pregnancy.
I still had my brother's number so I rang it and it rang but he didn't answer. I left a very civil message saying I was shocked about what happened and could he please let me know what is going on. It has been a week and he never had the guts to call and own the fact that they are shunning me. He is a weak poor excuse of a man. They didn't even have the decency to leave we had to avoid running into them again before we were out of the area. I don't know what to do when I seen them next, pretending not to see them doesn't sit well with me, but neither does greeting them when they have been so rude (well more than rude, its a real judgemental statement they are making).
I don't know if this is because they know I am in regular contact with their disfellowshipped daughter/sister or just because I have been out so long they have decided to treat me as a disassociated person. I told my brother on the phone years ago that I had chosen to leave but I could not discuss why with him as I wanted Jack to have his family and I didn't want a witchhunt coming after me. He told me himself that the fact I had been inactive for a period of time meant no-one would bother me and I shouldn't be worried about it. He seemed genuine in his offer to discuss anything with me and help me in any way he could. How things change. I guess he figures I'm keeping his daughter out by talking to her. Thankfully she has a working brain of her own. I know how angry he is at me because I am just as angry at him, and that makes me more angry . It's in the genes I guess... I've never been close to this brother, as he is a lot older than me and moved out and got married while I was still a toddler, but he's still flesh and blood so it makes me mad. All the JWs in my town are nice to me. we don't associate but we exchange pleasantries and I am happy with that.
Of course all this led to me berating my mother for nearly 2 hours on the phone in a call which I should never have made, or kept to the facts. Instead of which I tried to use it as an opportunity to show her what the religion had done to our family and how insane it all was. Fail. However she told me that my father had had several ohne calls to my brother and they were not in aggreement with his attitude but could not do anything about his behaviour. She said she was sorry that they had treated me like that and that they shouldn't be doing it. However this is not such a win, it is only because I'm bit officially DF. I asked her point blank what they would do if I was, and she just kept saying that no-one would come after me. I said it was all legalistic and she knoew what I really thought anyway, so why would it make a difference if a group of men DF me for my belief that it was not the truth. She said that I was not actively trying to cause trouble and speak against them so I was not doing anything wrong. I said all it takes is one elder to move in on a mission and someone to have a problem with something I do. This led to a discussion on birthdays (I wouldn't dare mention Xmas). I reminded her that she said she did not even get the no-birthday thing when I was younger, she kinda deflected and asked "why do we hve to have presents/party on a birthday?". I'm like "why not?". Of course "pagan this, occult that" followed, which I countered with "wedding rings/etc" which led to me making a logical argument, which led to the default "This is my belief which I have thouroughly researched blah blah, I have to go I'm feeling sick..."
I tried to ask her several times what this "looking into everything" and "research" she had done was. It turns out the sum total of it was her accepting the society explanation of the UN NGO thing. That's drop in the bucket compared to all the other dishonesty but it's pointless because she will only see things through a filter. I even tried explaining this to her and how I know because I used to see things the same way. But I just end up sounding like I'm on my high horse .
I'm just devastated because I had a bit of a fantasy going where my mother did actually love me unconditionally, and wouldn't shun me if I was disfellowshipped, but with her lack of a straight answer, I can only assume that she would not stand up for our relationship if it came to the crunch. Why do these JW parents always see ok with saying they would die for you when they won't actually talk to you for the sake of their own salvation. Can't they see their morality is flawed. If god doesn't want me to talk to my child then I don't care what paradise he's promising I won't be following him. Even their own bible has the parable of the shepherd who won't leave one sheep behind...
Anyway, sorry this has been such a incoherent babble/rant but it has helped me immensely to write, which I have been meaning to do for the last week since this happened. Thankyou for listening!
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My mother is trying to indoctrinate my 4 year old and I do not know what to do
by jwfacts inmy mother lives a plane trip away from me, so does not get to spend very much time with zac.
however, she is in sydney for 3 weeks and has been babysitting.
i knew that she would be talking about jehovah, but was very annoyed yesterday when zac said my mother was speaking all day about jehovah, such as how he made the stars.. in the past, i was not overly concerned if zac learnt about jehovah's witnesses, as i thought it would help with critical thinking skills to understand different points of view.
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Hi there,
I am similarly concerned about my JW mother's contact with my 3 1/2 yo son. He told me one afternoon that Jehovah made the butterflies and the flowers . I had previously not worried when he mentioned "god" because I thought he was either getting it off something on TV or my Mum was being good enough not to mention the actual name "Jehovah" to him. When he is there and they pray they do not encourage him to participate in any way but I do try to make him be quiet out of respect for their beliefs in their own house. He often giggles at them . Sometimes he tries to hold hands but he has no real understanding of prayer, at least as far as I know... I have been paranoid enough to pull out an old copy of "my book of bible stories" and quiz my son about whether he has seen the adam and eve and paradise pictures... crazy me I know. But I was glad that he hadn't!
I actually wonder if the "Jehovah made the butterflies" came from my Sister-in-law or his cousins on a recent visit, they are more the type that talk about JW stuff incessantly, whereas it's kind of a white elephant with my parents and I. Recent events involving a nearly 2 hour, emotion charged phone call with my mother about an incident and then turned into how much I hate that my whole family are in a cult (which I will reserve for another thread), meant that I point blank asked my mother if I should be worried about her trying to indoctrinate my son. She told me that when he was old enough she would not hold back from telling him what she believed and that everyone can make their own decisions. I said that children are impressionable to illogical things and that it is my decision what he is exposed to. She agreed that we have to think for ourselves. I don't think she will try and "teach" him JW beliefs, at least not at this young age, but she will answer any questions he has according to her beliefs, which is only to be expected, after all she loves him very much and wants him to live forever I can't blame her for that. I am satisfied that he is intelligent enough and will not be influenced enough to lead to him being brainwashed into the cult. My child reminds me a lot of me and thinks for himself and is quite forthright in his opinion, which is good for not being brainwashed and bad for me trying to get him to do everday tasks that he doesn't want to do!
I like Billy's idea of encouraging children to ask their grandparents questions that we perhaps cannot get away with. I think it is the most effective way, help the child to see the lack of logical answers and reasoning for themself. You never know, the granchild may make the granparent think. I get to emotionally involved when I talk to my mother about doctrine, we go around in circles and she get upset and physically ill... But an innocent child asking the questions can't be avoided so easily!
I actually have more of a problem at the moment that his preschool educators have got him saying "bless you" when he or someody else sneezes! But it doesn't really matter so I just let it go...
By the way I simply explained that butterflies come from caterpillars (he has a story book about it so he understood) and then the butterflies lay eggs that become more caterpillars and more butterflies, nobody is making them. He was happy with that and we moved on. I think if I push the subject, it will only intrigue him more and he will come to understand the discord between Mum and his grandmother sooner than I would hope. His fourth Birthday will likely mean I have to explain why she can't come. Aargh!
I don't think we really have much to worry about. Children taught to ask questions and think logically will not become indoctrinated unless they are not exposed to anything else but the brainwashing. But you may want to say something to your mother on the principle of the matter, that she does not have the right to be teaching him her beliefs in your absence. I think the less said the better most of the time (wish I had taken this advice as of late) as they tend to dig their heels in more when you challenge them...
Good luck!
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So my JW wife cheated on me. Need some help or at least a sympathetic ear.
by JonathanH ini have neither friends nor family to turn to.
the result of being born in a cult.
but i need to talk about this.
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stuckinlimbo
I have sent you a pm JonothanH