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  A live interview with Mr. Adnan Oktar by Al Jazee

  by acalltofaith in

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  nothing could ever take place outside our destiny.

  everything in the universe had already took place in allah's sight.... if darwinism ceases to exist, niether fascism, nor communism, nor emperialism could continue to exist.... there are hundred million fossils that refute darwin's evolution theory.

  no change had ever taken place in these fossils.

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  acalltofaith, welcome to the forum!

  What is your religious faith? Were you formerly a JW?
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  I stopped going to the Kingdom Hall

  by FloridaPerry in

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  in late 1976, i had just turned 17. everyone in my family dropped out over the next few years, except a a brother who has been going strong his whole life.

  my mother went back a couple of years ago and i live in the same town as she does and she keeps talking to me about it.

  reading this forum, it sure brings back a lot of memories.

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  Thanks for opening up Florida...I am feeling the same way. I believe this will haunt me for the rest of my life. The doom and gloom etc.

  Keep researching the JWs beliefs and the Bible. I used to be worried too, Took me about a year, but I've researched enough to convince myself that I really don't need to be.
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  My first time

  by not bitter in

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  i am new to this site.

  i've been out of it for about 17 years.

  i've never really looked back or felt nger about any of it.

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  you are a looser

  You got that right!

  loose (ls) adj.loos·er, loos·est

  3. Free from confinement or imprisonment; unfettered:
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  jw sheperding calls

  by Borgdrone in

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  recently i have been approached by an elder and asked if i could get going again in the door to door preaching activity due to not having any time in for three months.

  i told him it was due to health reasons, etc.

  now it seems i am due for a sheperding call in the very near future.

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  You do informal witnessing right? Like commenting on this forum? That's gotta count for at least 15 minutes in a month (the minimum).
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  December AWAKE entitled: The Truth About Christmas

  by AwSnap in

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  2. friends

  i just found an envelope outside my door.

  as i picked it up, it felt a little heavy.

  inside, there is an awake, and print-out, and a hand written note:.

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  Keep the magazine.

  Give her the information you mentioned above.

  Say that you'll read hers if she reads yours. After all, if it's the truth, you have nothing to fear.

  *edit* Even better say you'll discuss hers if you discuss yours. That way she doesn't just take your information and throw it out.
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  Someone Came Knocking Today...

  by titch in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, an interesting thing happened today, here in southern california.

  as i was sipping my morning coffee, i heard a distinct knocking on my door.

  the front door was closed, so i didn't open it.

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  The JWs I have known (and myself) do not like to ring the bell before 10AM/11AM/12PM (depends on the publisher) in case the householder is sleeping.
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  If you CHANGE what you said was TRUE...How could it have been true??

  by Terry in

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  if the bible says anything; it says what it says.. what is said doesn't change because nobody is continuing to write it.. the bible cannot change, then.. god's word (if that is what the bible is) doesn't change.however, if any person or group interprets the bible's doctrines and the doctrines change, then,it must be the interpreter who is in error.. (i call it "error" because; why change it otherwise?).

  who would have enough hubris to risk representing god's word one way---and declare it truth--only to change that truth into something else?.

  answer: the watchtower society!.

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  I liked how Fred Franz put it in his 1984 talk "Decisions".

  First he said how glad he was, pre-1914, to read a little booklet on what happens to the dead. He said he "found the truth!"

  Then later in the talk he said, in regards to the finished Mystery "It was not the truth". Then he discounted all the literature up to that time as not being the truth.
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  If you CHANGE what you said was TRUE...How could it have been true??

  by Terry in

  1. jw
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  if the bible says anything; it says what it says.. what is said doesn't change because nobody is continuing to write it.. the bible cannot change, then.. god's word (if that is what the bible is) doesn't change.however, if any person or group interprets the bible's doctrines and the doctrines change, then,it must be the interpreter who is in error.. (i call it "error" because; why change it otherwise?).

  who would have enough hubris to risk representing god's word one way---and declare it truth--only to change that truth into something else?.

  answer: the watchtower society!.

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  "Truth". A "loaded-language" synonym for "Theory".

  A good scientist builds his theory on all the known facts at the time. He adapts/trashes/changes his theories as new facts come to light.

  Most religious "Truths" are built on facts that confirm what a person or group has established that they will believe, to the exclusion of opposing facts. Part of the problem lies in that many of the "facts" are in fact unprovable assumptions. Sometimes the evidence is so strong to show that the "truth" is not true, that the "truth" must change.

  The difference between a "truth" and "theory" is that you can question a theory and improve on the theory, but you cannot question a "truth" without the threat of disfellowshipping/shunning (unless you recant your position). By calling the "theory" a "truth", you instill raise the barrier for questions, ie "why are you challenging what is known to be true?" Ironically, the leaders are allowed to change the "truth" at any time because they define what the "truth" is.
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  Full transcripts of judicial case.

  by Hobo Ken in

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  2. scandals

  in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

  i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

  many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

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  Thanks Hobo Ken. If I ever have a shepherding visit, I'll know to keep my mouth shut!
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  The Apostle John thought the end was near...

  by pirata in

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  2. bible

  i used to always justify that the apostles (and paul) thought the end was near because the "mini-end" (jerusalem's destruction in 70ce) had not yet happened.. then it dawned on me that 1st/2nd/3rd john were written in 98ce (at least according to the back of my nwt), after jerusalem's destruction.. 1 john 2:18 (new international version)warnings against denying the son 18 dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.

  this is how we know it is the last hour.. not only was it the last day, it was the last hour..

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  Thanks Leolaia for the input!